90's Rap misconceptions?

[BmoreGorilla]

I agree affiliations was huge especially back then. But I going to ask you this question. You said you had no idea who Mobb Deep was before Shook Ones Part II. So my question to you isn't because you heard of that song that prompted you to learn about Mobb Deep?

I ask that because if you never heard of Mobb Deep until you heard Shook Ones Part II, how would you of known where they were from? Or even care to know?

I say this because there were a lot of rappers that tried to capitalize off whom they were affiliated with or what hood they're from. Like when when NWA came out, there were a gang of people claiming they're from Compton or tried to capitalize off of it. But when you hear someone like DJ Quik. And immediately you know he's from Compton, but it's not the reason why someone would check out DJ Quik. It's because his music was too dope regardless where he was from. That's the same with Shook Ones. Many people thought The Infamous album was Mobb Deep's first album. They didn't know anything about Mobb Deep until Shook Ones came out and that's when they wanted to learn who that group was. So my point is that the SONG made Mobb Deep known and the Nas connection was 2nd to that. It definitely not like a Cormega situation where Nas shouted him out on Illmatic and people wanted to learn more about Mega from that.

By no means am I saying Nas gets all the credit. Whatever it was wasn’t even intentional. But I knew nothing about Mobb Deep. So when I heard Shook Ones P mentioned QB in his verse. Then I remembered Havoc being on Black Moons album and I remembered Nas shouting them out in the liner notes of Illmatic. Those affiliations raised my interest level to the point I wanted to know more

 

[gluvnast]

By no means am I saying Nas gets all the credit. Whatever it was wasn’t even intentional. But I knew nothing about Mobb Deep. So when I heard Shook Ones P mentioned QB in his verse. Then I remembered Havoc being on Black Moons album and I remembered Nas shouting them out in the liner notes of Illmatic. Those affiliations raised my interest level to the point I wanted to know more

Word. That's wassup

 

[FreshAIG]

No people checked out Mobb Deep because of Shook Ones Part II. The release of that song and it being banned from MTV which was a big deal sparked people's interests over the controversy and hype of the song.

Again, you are conflating Mobb Deep finding direction/purpose because through hearing their homie's album with "opening the doors". Nas didn't put Mobb Deep on. People didn't start listening to Mobb Deep JUST BECAUSE they heard Illmatic. That's like saying Tragedy Khadafi opened the doors for Nas because Trag's from Queensbridge and Nas found motivation from his music. That's bullshyt logic you are spewing.

And Biggie and Jay-Z is a totally different situation. Biggie didn't "open the doors" for Jay-Z. Jay-Z only wanted to release ONE ALBUM which was Reasonable Doubt. Jay-Z at the time didn't care for rap because he was already making huge money hustling. He and Dame wanted a legit outlet and focus on running a record label. It wasn't until Biggie died that Ja-Z felt an obligation to continue on rapping and fill Biggie's shoes. It took TWO and nearly a half full YEARS until Jay-Z got big. That wasn't because of Biggie who was well dead by that point, but because of hard work and dope music and elevating his own Roc-a-Fella brand. Jay-Z with the help of Dame and Biggs put himself on. Biggie didn't sign him to Undeas like he did with Junior Mafia. Jay-Z wasn't part of Bad Boy. But just because they were CLOSE doesn't automatically mean Biggie "opened doors" for Jay-Z. Especially during that period, Jay-Z's interest was having an one and done album.

This is an interesting discussion on what qualifies as "opening the door" for someone. The argument to me is, is it literally being the one to put someone on, or is it more creating a big enough buzz and being successful enough that it allows other people from your area to get on and blow up.

People don't understand how down bad Queensbridge was after KRS-One dropped the Bridge is Over. Shan was a huge star, and after KRS smoked him, literally nobody was trying to hear anyone from Queensbridge. Intelligent Hoodlum lowkey reopened the doors for them, he had a number 1 rap song on Billboard with Grand Groove. Then Nas came with Illmatic, and nikkas started putting respect on QB's name again. That allowed for Mobb Deep, CNN, etc...to come through later.

 

[Waterproof]

Yo there's a lot of revisionist history going on in here

 

[Waterproof]

Big L prominence. Big L was not a well known rapper or prominently featured or referenced when he was alive.

Yes he rubbed shoulders with likes of Rocafella artist, Twista etc but he was not highly regarded alive as he was after death especially more than a decade later by 90s babies and others

I'm from The Bay, and I knew about Big L, he was all up in the Source and his video MVP was getting heavy play on BET Rap City and Yo! MTV Raps, matter of fact I got his album Lifestyle from Sam Goody off the strength of his video, I was 18 in 95 and that album dropped during my Senior Year and it was a hot album on campus

I have to say Revisionist History, he was well known in the hip hop circle

 

[Waterproof]

you say this as if twista was a big star. he was in the same boat as big l.

not sure why twista is mentioned anyway. i dont even recall them rubbing shoulders. is that a typo or some kind of plug?

Adrenaline Rush went Gold In 97 and it was a classic, again I'm from the Bay and we was playing the shyt out that album

Y'all have to remember hip hop was still growing and still was close knit, y'all using lenses from the mid 00's for the 90's

Was Twista a Superstar? no and it was only a few superstars in the 90's from hip hop, but in the mid late 90's he was well known, he went Gold and going Gold was a major accomplishment and was celebrated at that time and he got major play with Adrenaline Rush and after he hit us with Speedknot Mobstaz

 

[Asicz]

I'm from The Bay, and I knew about Big L, he was all up in the Source and his video MVP was getting heavy play on BET Rap City and Yo! MTV Raps, matter of fact I got his album Lifestyle from Sam Goody off the strength of his video, I was 18 in 95 and that album dropped during my Senior Year and it was a hot album on campus

I have to say Revisionist History, he was well known in the hip hop circle

Big L was so hot he got dropped from his label in 1996...

 

[Erratic415]

Man I remember standing by the radio hoping they play the song I'm looking for to record it.

It was a real pain when you couldn’t find that one song you wanted. I remember after The Chronic and Doggystyle came out, I wanted to hear Deep Cover again, but the stores never had it. I dubbed a ton of stuff from friends but nobody had that for whatever reason, and I really wanted it.

Deep Cover was on TV, so I taped it. I replayed the final credits scene, turned it loud, then put a tape recorder right beside the TV to record it.

 

[Waterproof]

Big L was so hot he got dropped from his label in 1996...

Souls mischief, casual, the afro's, Lil 1/2 Dead, MC Hammer, De La Soul was also hot and got dropped from their label, let's not go there

 

[FrankieLymon757]

Cappadonna Winter Warz verse...

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Cappadonna Winter Warz verse...

One of the most overrated verses of all time

 

[gluvnast]

This is an interesting discussion on what qualifies as "opening the door" for someone. The argument to me is, is it literally being the one to put someone on, or is it more creating a big enough buzz and being successful enough that it allows other people from your area to get on and blow up.

People don't understand how down bad Queensbridge was after KRS-One dropped the Bridge is Over. Shan was a huge star, and after KRS smoked him, literally nobody was trying to hear anyone from Queensbridge. Intelligent Hoodlum lowkey reopened the doors for them, he had a number 1 rap song on Billboard with Grand Groove. Then Nas came with Illmatic, and nikkas started putting respect on QB's name again. That allowed for Mobb Deep, CNN, etc...to come through later.

Even though a lot of people from Queensbridge felt that way. I think the big misconception is that KRS-One killed The Juice Crew. I do agree that Nas did bring back honor to the QB and Mobb Deep solidified it. But had The Juice Crew not get dismantled because of internal reasons, I would believe the QB still would of been honored. MC Shan had his crack addiction problem, Roxanne Shante semi-retired, and Marley basically gotten too big....That left Tragedy basically trying to go on his own without anyone to follow. Which possibly why it was so important for Tragedy to mentor CNN when he did in order to continue the QB renaissance of the 90's. I think he didn't want to happen that happened to him. And had all three, CNN, Mobb Deep and Nas not started beefing as well as their own individual cliques that they had, QB still would of been running the rap game to this day.

 

[gluvnast]

I'm from The Bay, and I knew about Big L, he was all up in the Source and his video MVP was getting heavy play on BET Rap City and Yo! MTV Raps, matter of fact I got his album Lifestyle from Sam Goody off the strength of his video, I was 18 in 95 and that album dropped during my Senior Year and it was a hot album on campus

I have to say Revisionist History, he was well known in the hip hop circle

I believe you misunderstood what he was saying. The Big L when he debuted in 1994 and the Big L that people revered today weren't respected by hip hop peers in that high regard. Big L was bubbling, but more underground. He didn't receive the proper respect that he truly deserved until AFTER he was killed. It wasn't that nobody heard of Big L before. Everyone that was into hip hop knew or heard of these rappers, even the ones that came and went and sold wood. Big L had a cult underground following, but wasn't nearly as popular as most rappers of that same time period. He was one of the slept on emcees that people recognized his greatness after he was killed.

 

[gluvnast]

Souls mischief, casual, the afro's, Lil 1/2 Dead, MC Hammer, De La Soul was also hot and got dropped from their label, let's not go there

This nikka talking about revisionist history and claim he's from the Bay but do not know the reason why Souls of Mischief and Casual left Jive Records. They left because Jive stopped making them and most of their rap acts priority because they were transitioning to become a pop and R&B record label at the time.

And De La Soul stayed with Tommy Boy and had success throughout the 90's with Tommy Boy. They left because of Tom Silverman is shady.

And you from the Bay and did not know that MC HAMMER OWNED HIS OWN RECORD LABEL???? Capitol Records was only a distributor to Bust It records. MC Hammer just fell off and didn't manage his company well and fell into debt.

And who gives a fucck about Lil 1/2 Dead? Or The Afro's?? Face the fact that Big L's first album didn't sell. The label dropped him and he was moving independent from the mid to late 90's before he was killed. He made more of a name for himself when he was doing his independent thing, but wasn't nearly as popular as his peer at the time until after he was killed.

 

[Waterproof]

This nikka talking about revisionist history and claim he's from the Bay but do not know the reason why Souls of Mischief and Casual left Jive Records. They left because Jive stopped making them and most of their rap acts priority because they were transitioning to become a pop and R&B record label at the time.

And De La Soul stayed with Tommy Boy and had success throughout the 90's with Tommy Boy. They left because of Tom Silverman is shady.

And you from the Bay and did not know that MC HAMMER OWNED HIS OWN RECORD LABEL???? Capitol Records was only a distributor to Bust It records. MC Hammer just fell off and didn't manage his company well and fell into debt.

And who gives a fucck about Lil 1/2 Dead? Or The Afro's?? Face the fact that Big L's first album didn't sell. The label dropped him and he was moving independent from the mid to late 90's before he was killed. He made more of a name for himself when he was doing his independent thing, but wasn't nearly as popular as his peer at the time until after he was killed.

Wrong nikka you don't know what the fukk you talking about ol fish dapping ass nikka let me check your punk ass

Souls of Mischief got dropped after their 2nd lp be didn't do the numbers they was expecting and Jive wanted to turn them to a Rap Boy Band and they wasn't down with that, you bytch ass nikka and this is from Tajai mouth, go find the article you lazy ass bum

And For Casual it was because of low record sales and he wanted more money from the label, this is from his own mouth, go find his article

nikka try to get daps with that Jive was going pop route, you can fool these nikkas on this board but not me and I'm from The Bay San Jose Homeboy

Oh let's get to Hammer, actually Hammer Had 3 record labels you fukkin bum and his deal in 88 was not a distribution deal he signed directly with Capitol Records

You know fukkin what I can Continue to bust your ass but naw, you just don't know what the fukk you talking about ol make up shyt to sound cool revisionist ass nikka

This nikka really tried