'95 Orlando Magic vs '13 Heat

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I'm not saying Wade is as selfish as Marbury.It's just not in his nature as a player to consistently look for the pass.His main objective is to score.Basketball smarts/IQ wise, Wade is beyond Marbury, but at the same time, he's similarly wired.I used Marbury because he's the most extreme example.Wade is a sg, so he's expected to score more.Marbury was a pg, but more like a undersized sg disguised as a pg.Even then, I'd say Marbury made some better passes, but he wasn't a better passer.If you looked at a Marbury passing reel, you'd probably go:whew: more than a few times.Having said that, he wasn't as consistent/ efficient as Wade in any facet of the game.


That's why I say Penny was a bit of an eccentric.He was similar to Bron in that he was a lil passive on offense, but he was a monster when he needed to score.He had the talent/offensive repertoire to put up more points than he did.Not to the extent that Bron does it...Bron is a physical freak.Athletically, there's no comparison between him and Penny.On a scale of 1-10, Bron is a 12 or some shyt.Penny was more like a 8.5, but from a fundamental/technical standpoint, he had better moves, footwork/ scoring technique than Bron.Basically, he wasn't as versatile/dominant, but he was more refined IMO.For whatever reason, it just wasn't in their nature to stay in attack mode.It's like they only go into that mode when shyt reaches emergency levels.


Having watched both (Wade & Penny) I'm not saying one is better than the other.I just think it's funny how people say it's disrespectful to take '95 Penny over Wade or Wade over Penny as if one is light years better than the other.To me, it's a toss up.Depends on your preference.


I know I'm going hard with my opinion that Penny was more of a natural passer, but I acknowledge that Penny didn't have the natural scoring grace of D Wade.That evens the playing field for me.

That's why I said I'd choose '95 Penny over Wade.I think he was better at getting his teammates involved, had a size advantage, and although he's not the scorer that D Wade is, he still had the ability to be a dominant scorer with his well crafted, all around game(offensively)


But that's just me:yeshrug:


Now if somebody came in here and chose Wade, I'm not going to lose my shyt, and call them stupid or crazy.

I can feel that but Penny was more of a scorer than a pure point just like Wade and I think him and Wade are equal as passers. Even with Shaq and two shooters on his team Penny only averaged 7 assists a game in his best season. And I know that's not the end all when it comes to judging who was a better passer but I never looked at Penny as pure point on the lines of a Magic or Stockton. I always considered him like a hybrid of Jordan and Pippen where he was the teams best ballhandler and got a lot of assists cuz he was the guy that bought the ball up the court the most and he could score pretty much when he wanted.
 

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I'm taking the team with the 4x MVP/2x Finals MVP in his prime. Not the the team with "the ROY from a couple years ago" with no experience.

I'm taking 3x champion/ former NBA scoring champion over a guy who never averaged more than 22 points in any season, and who was only in his 2nd season at the time.

I'm taking the back to back champs over the team couldn't even muster up one Finals win.



This is laughable. :heh:
 

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I'm taking the team with the 4x MVP/2x Finals MVP in his prime. Not the the team with "the ROY from a couple years ago" with no experience.

I'm taking 3x champion/ former NBA scoring champion over a guy who never averaged more than 22 points in any season, and who was only in his 2nd season at the time.

I'm taking the back to back champs over the team couldn't even muster up one Finals win.



This is laughable. :heh:

2013 Lebron might be slightly better then 95 shaq, but Shaq would've went wild in this series and he would have protected the paint against lebron and wade. That makes a huge difference.

95 Penny first team all nba Hardaway >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gimpy 1 knee d wade.

Plus your not factoring in competition.

95 pacers >>> 2013 pacers
95 rockets >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013 spurs

you reverse the teams, and does miami even get to the finals?
 
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I can feel that but Penny was more of a scorer than a pure point just like Wade and I think him and Wade are equal as passers. Even with Shaq and two shooters on his team Penny only averaged 7 assists a game in his best season. And I know that's not the end all when it comes to judging who was a better passer but I never looked at Penny as pure point on the lines of a Magic or Stockton. I always considered him like a hybrid of Jordan and Pippen where he was the teams best ballhandler and got a lot of assists cuz he was the guy that bought the ball up the court the most and he could score pretty much when he wanted.

:leon: I could see that.

But still, his court vision>>>>>D Wades IMO


If Magic's a level 11 and Stockton's a level 10

Penny's level 7.5 and Wade's a level 6

But that's just my eyeballs and brain stems:smugdraper:
 
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2013 Lebron might be slightly better then 95 shaq, but Shaq would've went wild in this series and he would have protected the paint against lebron and wade. That makes a huge difference.

[95 Penny first team all nba Hardaway >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gimpy 1 knee d wade.

Plus your not factoring in competition.

95 pacers >>> 2013 pacers
95 rockets >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013 spurs

you reverse the teams, and does miami even get to the finals?


Word.




Wade's 2nd year, he put up 24,7,5, and 2. on 48% shooting

Penny's 2nd year, he put 22,7,4, and 2 on 51% shooting while playing less minutes and taking less shots a game.Wade took about 4 more shots a game.Considering that Penny shot over 51% from the field, if he took 4 more shots, he was bound to hit 2 of them.That would put him at 25-26 ppg.

But as already stated, he differed to Shaq.


As it is, that's the tragedy of Penny Hardaway.We never got to see him fully develop as a player like we have with Wade.


Penny's both underrated and overrated.His actual skills as a basketball player is underrated by the new generation, but the mythology that surrounds his career is the cause of that.They don't actually hate Penny as a player, they hate the "legend".

When really Penny was a walking basketball textbook.I'd recommend any pre teen cat just getting into basketball to study his game.

Even Bron said Penny was the guy he wanted to emulate.
 

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How are they gonna stop LeBron again? :dwillhuh:

Still waiting on the answer to that question. Ya know, the most important question. :heh:

These threads are so disrespectful. You all don't deserve to witness the greatness you take for granted everyday. :snoop:
 

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How are they gonna stop LeBron again? :dwillhuh:

Still waiting on the answer to that question. Ya know, the most important question. :heh:

These threads are so disrespectful. You all don't deserve to witness the greatness you take for granted everyday. :snoop:

If Lebron was afraid to attack the paint going against hibbert, what's he gonna do against shaq and grant.

He'll be forced to beat them with jumpers
 

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okay, enough with the "i'm not in this thread like that" routine...you ARE writing paragraphs and you've got more posts than me in here. i challenged you on what you said and how you said it. i dunno why you're trying to deflect and make this exchange about everything but that.

danny green is completely different from john starks. the heat didn't give a shyt about the 5th option on the spurs...cuz he's just spot-up shooting role player. but he got hot. games 6-7 they heat decided to actually d him and up and he wasn't much of a factor anymore. starks was the 2nd option on the knicks. the heat would game plan for him.

GTFOH.

aint nobody deflecting nothing.

you came in here arguing back-n-forth and it had nothing to do with basketball. you didnt even bother to state what you disagreed with until the last dam post. EVEN AFTER I ASKED YOU TO DO SO, you ignored it and still kept talking chit. and its one thing to not own up to that, but youre still trying to twist chit around to make it look like im the crazy one. and then you expect me to turn around and talk ball with you like its all good........while youre showing nothing but disrespect? f*ck off. I don't associate with your kind.

yea, I typed paragraphs, but it had nothing to do with the topic. it was about you basically putting words in my mouth. what am I supposed to do? just sit back and take it?

kick rocks. you give me the creeps.
 

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If Lebron was afraid to attack the paint going against hibbert, what's he gonna do against shaq and grant.

He'll be forced to beat them with jumpers

But... LeBron and them... beat the Pacers. :dwillhuh:

So apparently none of that mattered.

And he just torched the Spurs in game 7 when they tried to force him to beat them with jumpers.

LeBron is "so easy to stop" but the only person to ever stop him was himself in 2011.



No, young :shaq2: was easy to stop, or should I say neutralize, because his teams used to get swept every year. So you're saying the guy who got swept every year (young Shaq) is unstoppable but the guy who wins the championship every year (prime Bron) can easily be stopped by "forcing him to shoot jumpers" even though he just proved that doesn't work. If it were so easy to stop him someone would have done it the last 2 years.
 

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But... LeBron and them... beat the Pacers. :dwillhuh:

So apparently none of that mattered.

And he just torched the Spurs in game 7 when they tried to force him to beat them with jumpers.

LeBron is "so easy to stop" but the only person to ever stop him was himself in 2011.



No, young :shaq2: was easy to stop, or should I say neutralize, because his teams used to get swept every year. So you're saying the guy who got swept every year in unstoppable but the guy who wins the championship every year (Bron prime) can easily be stopped by "forcing him to shoot jumpers" even though he just proved that doesn't work. If it were so easy to stop him someone would have done it the last 2 years.

That magic team was young and had to experience growing pains as a team.

Shaq was never "neutralize" in any of those series he got his numbers and they didn't have the experience to win those series.

Orlando isn't going to play 5feet off lebron no how, they will get a hand up and contest which is all you can hope for
 

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That magic team was young and had to experience growing pains as a team.

Shaq was never "neutralize" in any of those series he got his numbers and they didn't have the experience to win those series.

Orlando isn't going to play 5feet off lebron no how, they will get a hand up and contest which is all you can hope for

Exactly. Which is why they're not beating a 2x champion with a 4x MVP.

And Shaq was neutralized if he scored 40 and they lost. That's 40 points that didn't mean shyt in the grand scheme of things. :yeshrug:

You're also vastly overrating the Magic's mediocre-at-best defense. :comeon:
 

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GTFOH.

aint nobody deflecting nothing.

you came in here arguing back-n-forth and it had nothing to do with basketball. you didnt even bother to state what you disagreed with until the last dam post. EVEN AFTER I ASKED YOU TO DO SO, you ignored it and still kept talking chit. and its one thing to not own up to that, but youre still trying to twist chit around to make it look like im the crazy one. and then you expect me to turn around and talk ball with you like its all good........while youre showing nothing but disrespect? f*ck off. I don't associate with your kind.

yea, I typed paragraphs, but it had nothing to do with the topic. it was about you basically putting words in my mouth. what am I supposed to do? just sit back and take it?

kick rocks. you give me the creeps.

wow. what are you even talking about? are you listening to yourself? i clearly don't have to twist anything around to make you look crazy.:deadrose:

i didn't bother to state what i disagreed with? like i said, stop trying to make this about some fantasy beef you think we have. at this point, it's important for you to get healthy again. doctors, medication, whatever it takes for you to come back to reality...and when you're ready, re-read the conversation.
 

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I must say, readin' through this thread, @Jesus Shuttlesworth has made the best arguments. Thanks for makin' the clarifications and puttin' things into perspective for us yungins that were too young for the 90's :salute:
 
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I think Wade is a much better defender but his lack of a consistent jump shot is why I can't put him over Penny talent wise. I just think Penny was more polished offensively and didn't have to rely on just slashing.



Now if Lebron could just get a post game like Penny he would be unstoppable. The older Lebron gets the harder it will be to just take guys off the dribble.


 
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