'95 Orlando Magic vs '13 Heat

[Reggie]

That's the perfect way to describe it.I don't look at stats when it comes to assist, I watch the games.


With Bron and Penny, it seems like their first inclination is to pass.By nature, they're a lil bit more "passive" when it comes to having a score first mentality.It's just the essence of who they are/were as players.They truly have/had genuine, unselfish traits out there on the court.

With Wade, it's not as natural.It's something he applied to his game to make him a more efficient scorer."If I pass the ball a couple of times, that'll keep the defense honest and open up my scoring lanes".His first inclination is to score and his passing is a by product of that.His appetite is to score.When he's scoring, he's eating....the assist is just the left overs from when he was on the defense.That's his primary instinct.His strategy out there on the court is all based around killing you with his scoring ability.


Bron and Penny aren't head hunters like that.They can/could go into that mode, but it's a secondary option for them.


Marbury woke me up to that.Watching him on a everyday basis made me realize there's a difference between being able to make a good pass and being a good passer.One does it consistently and one does not.

Yeah but u indirectly dissing Wade by saying he is the same type of passer as Marbury. Steph would dribble the shot clock down and then make a pass most times. While I have seen Wade coming down the court looking like a pure point lots of times over the years. Wade makes good passes and is a good passer so I'm not putting Penny to far ahead of him as far as being a passer is concerned.

 

[Bruh Man 5th Flo]

Penny would get shut down by Lebron

if Jordan couldn't shut down penny you really think Lebron Could????

 

[Wacky D]

who cares if you've heard of me or not. that's totally irrelevant. now i'm "lying on your keyboard" huh...yeah, that makes sense. only thing lying on your keyboard is your stomach rolls you stupid fat b*stard.

all you've said was "john starks would cook them, period". then when someone disagrees with you, you go "uhh yes, he will". that's not what making a point or an argument is, kiddo. i don't know how to explain it to you any clearer.

the only dynamic perimeter threat the knicks really had was starks and he wasn't anywhere as good as guys that miami has locked up. he was a streaky 3 point shooter and wade, chalmers, lebron, cole...they'd all be able to stay in with him so he'd have problems getting into the paint and getting shots. they'd have to run him off screens for clean looks...and miami is good at defending that shyt. what'd he average? like 15-16 points a game in the playoffs? even less against the bulls? so even if he did slightly better than that, he still wouldn't be "cooking" anybody.

yes, it does matter that I don't know you, when theres a peaceful thread going on and you come out of nowhere throwing shots at me. and youre still going. lol. im fat now? this exchange is getting creepier by the minute. you obviously just want my attention.

again, how is that acting as if my opinion is fact? I see theres an abundance of colloquialism problems on this board. in other words, i'd put my money on starks to get his chit off on Miami. and then I went back and referenced danny green. I didn't act as if anything is fact. see this is how "good innocent people" get themselves into bad situations when they try to venture out of their element. this is why I told you to get away from me like 3 posts ago. AND NOW, you finally want to address the topic. you disagree and think starks would get shut down. that's wassup. that's all you had to say. but don't be a fakkit and come in here with all that sucka chit.

THATS IT. THATS ALL. im clearly not even into this thread like that and just throwing out random statements, some of them are to the contrary of my vote. you wanting me to type paragraphs about chit thats already been said is laughable.

That 95 Magic team represents everything about the overrated 90s.

Good for the short time they were together, but didnt stay together long enough to become the great team they would have been.

yea, that doesn't make them overrated tho.

 

[NYC Rebel]

lol. im fat now? this exchange is getting creepier by the minute.

again, how is that acting as if my opinion is fact? I see theres an abundance colloquialism problems on this board. in other words, i'd put my money on starks to get his chit off on Miami. and then I went back and referenced danny green.

THATS IT. THATS ALL. im clearly not even into this thread like that and just throwing out random statements, some of them are to the contrary of my vote.

you wanting me to type paragraphs about this chit is laughable. like you really want my attention.

you disagree and think starks would get shut down. that's wassup. that's all you had to say. but don't be a fakkit and come in here with all that sucka chit.



yea, that doesn't make them overrated tho.

Not the Magic....just the era.

Lots of potentially great teams that didnt play long enough as a team

 

[Liquid]

Wade scores more, their rebounds, assist, and steals are virtually the same, and wade blocks more shots. We never seen a "prime" penny per say.

He was only scratching the surface in 95 and 96.

And thats fine that he was only scratching the surface. Wade was already at 24, 7, 5 in his second season and better than anything Penny ever did.

However you want to call it homeslice...D-Wade is better. Stop bullshytting

 

[Wacky D]

Not the Magic....just the era.

Lots of potentially great teams that didnt play long enough as a team

I can dig it. I mean, I disagree about the '90s being overrated tho.

but yea, I admitted earlier in the thread that I didn't take into account the fact that the magic were young while this heat team is a vet squad at this point.

 

[Jplaya2023]

And thats fine that he was only scratching the surface. Wade was already at 24, 7, 5 in his second season and better than anything Penny ever did.

However you want to call it homeslice...D-Wade is better. Stop bullshytting

Penny was 21-4-7 2 steals 51% shooting his second year as the number 2 and was already all nba first team.

Wade was splitting alpha dog duties with Shaq while penny was clearly the second option so his points wouldn't be where wade's was.

 

[Liquid]

Whatever, you guys have this crazy illusion that Penny in his prime is a top 3 guard. I don't agree.

You cats throwing around potential (who never had a season that match what greats did) against greats who have actually proved it. Ridiculous

 

[Jplaya2023]

Whatever, you guys have this crazy illusion that Penny in his prime is a top 3 guard. I don't agree.

You cats throwing around potential (who never had a season that match what greats did) against greats who have actually proved it. Ridiculous

Penny was all nba first team his 2nd and 3rd seasons, so yes he was a top 3 guard at that time. This was before he reached he peak.

 

[Bruh Man 5th Flo]

Wade ain't seeing Penny in his prime. Dude was cooking a prime Scottie Pippen with ease. He had better handles and post up game than both Lebron and Wade.

Penny Hardaway Greatest Games: 39 Points vs Chicago Bulls (1995) - YouTube

@ that move he did on pip at 4:25

 

[Malta]

Penny was 21-4-7 2 steals 51% shooting his second year as the number 2 and was already all nba first team.

Wade was splitting alpha dog duties with Shaq while penny was clearly the second option so his points wouldn't be where wade's was.

Wade was 24/7/5/2/1 on 48% as a number 2 in his second year, what's your point?

You guys take the players today for granted, it's unreal how you dudes constantly overrate previous eras.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Wade was 24/7/5/2/1 on 48% as a number 2 in his second year, what's your point?

You guys take the players today for granted, it's unreal how you dudes constantly overrate previous eras.

Wade led miami in scoring his second year, him and shaq were more like 1a/1b. Penny was clearly the 2nd option in orlando as shaq was averaging 29 and led the league in scoring.

I'm not taking wade for granted, i have said throughout the years i think he's been the best SG in the game when healthy no question. People to me are taking penny for granted dude was all nba 1st team his second season. That's amazing. by comparison d wade didn't make 1st team to his 6th year.

 

[Wacky D]

wade didn't have to defer to shaq like penny did.

wade wasn't a #2 . he and shaq had a 1A/1B thing going. it was his team when shaq was still in LA. plus shaq was on the back-end of his career.

on the other hand, Orlando was shaq's squad before penny even entered the league.

funny thing, it was always said that penny becoming more popular than shaq is one of the things that ruined the team.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Yeah but u indirectly dissing Wade by saying he is the same type of passer as Marbury. Steph would dribble the shot clock down and then make a pass most times. While I have seen Wade coming down the court looking like a pure point lots of times over the years. Wade makes good passes and is a good passer so I'm not putting Penny to far ahead of him as far as being a passer is concerned.

I'm not saying Wade is as selfish as Marbury.It's just not in his nature as a player to consistently look for the pass.His main objective is to score.Basketball smarts/IQ wise, Wade is beyond Marbury, but at the same time, he's similarly wired.I used Marbury because he's the most extreme example.Wade is a sg, so he's expected to score more.Marbury was a pg, but more like a undersized sg disguised as a pg.Even then, I'd say Marbury made some better passes, but he wasn't a better passer.If you looked at a Marbury passing reel, you'd probably go more than a few times.Having said that, he wasn't as consistent/ efficient as Wade in any facet of the game.


That's why I say Penny was a bit of an eccentric.He was similar to Bron in that he was a lil passive on offense, but he was a monster when he needed to score.He had the talent/offensive repertoire to put up more points than he did.Not to the extent that Bron does it...Bron is a physical freak.Athletically, there's no comparison between him and Penny.On a scale of 1-10, Bron is a 12 or some shyt.Penny was more like a 8.5, but from a fundamental/technical standpoint, he had better moves, footwork/ scoring technique than Bron.Basically, he wasn't as versatile/dominant, but he was more refined IMO.For whatever reason, it just wasn't in their nature to stay in attack mode.It's like they only go into that mode when shyt reaches emergency levels.


Having watched both (Wade & Penny) I'm not saying one is better than the other.I just think it's funny how people say it's disrespectful to take '95 Penny over Wade or Wade over Penny as if one is light years better than the other.To me, it's a toss up.Depends on your preference.


I know I'm going hard with my opinion that Penny was more of a natural passer, but I acknowledge that Penny didn't have the natural scoring grace of D Wade.That evens the playing field for me.

That's why I said I'd choose '95 Penny over Wade.I think he was better at getting his teammates involved, had a size advantage, and although he's not the scorer that D Wade is, he still had the ability to be a dominant scorer with his well crafted, all around game(offensively)


But that's just me


Now if somebody came in here and chose Wade, I'm not going to lose my shyt, and call them stupid or crazy.

 

[Propaganda]

yes, it does matter that I don't know you, when theres a peaceful thread going on and you come out of nowhere throwing shots at me. and youre still going. lol. im fat now? this exchange is getting creepier by the minute. you obviously just want my attention.

again, how is that acting as if my opinion is fact? I see theres an abundance of colloquialism problems on this board. in other words, i'd put my money on starks to get his chit off on Miami. and then I went back and referenced danny green. I didn't act as if anything is fact. see this is how "good innocent people" get themselves into bad situations when they try to venture out of their element. this is why I told you to get away from me like 3 posts ago. AND NOW, you finally want to address the topic. you disagree and think starks would get shut down. that's wassup. that's all you had to say. but don't be a fakkit and come in here with all that sucka chit.

THATS IT. THATS ALL. im clearly not even into this thread like that and just throwing out random statements, some of them are to the contrary of my vote. you wanting me to type paragraphs about chit thats already been said is laughable.



yea, that doesn't make them overrated tho.

okay, enough with the "i'm not in this thread like that" routine...you ARE writing paragraphs and you've got more posts than me in here. i challenged you on what you said and how you said it. i dunno why you're trying to deflect and make this exchange about everything but that.

danny green is completely different from john starks. the heat didn't give a shyt about the 5th option on the spurs...cuz he's just spot-up shooting role player. but he got hot. games 6-7 they heat decided to actually d him and up and he wasn't much of a factor anymore. starks was the 2nd option on the knicks. the heat would game plan for him.