9th Wonder Weighs In On The "Sampling Conversation" with IG Video (What Are Y'all thoughts?)
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DaKidFromNoWhere
Superstar
He is right.
But I view those types as level 1 samplers.
When you chop that sample up and make a completely beat you on another level of sampling.
But I view those types as level 1 samplers.
When you chop that sample up and make a completely beat you on another level of sampling.
Champagne Kudo
Shyness Boy
Whatās the argument being had? Why are people mad at 2000s songs getting sampled ?
Without knowing the context, my guess is people are annoyed that some of the modern producers are sampling 90's/00's songs many of which were samples themselves. Case in point:
At that point it's a sample of a sample. In biology clones of clones usually end up with a gang of mutations. And my thing is what are we really doing here? People can't even be bothered to dig through crates to find another song from back in the day,"back in the day" i.e. the 70's/80's to flip?
Champagne Kudo
Shyness Boy
Professor K.
rap game Paul Millsap
Why should a producer today have to go back 40+ years when producers "back in the day" only went back 15-20? By the "older is better" rule, sampling Usher's U Don't Have to Call today(23 years later) would be better than sampling the Temptations' Papa Was a Rollin Stone in 1994(22 years later). If you don't like how "simple" some of these flips are, I hope you had that same energy for all those Bad Boy hits that straight up looped hit records from like 17 years prior. All that matters is if it sounds good and you did something to make it your own. Anything other than that is bullshyt gatekeeping
Tommy Gibbs
Superstar
trash is trash if it's sampled form 20 or 40 years ago. a MAJORITY of the music today is simply just not good, regardless of where it's sampled from
Why should a producer today have to go back 40+ years when producers "back in the day" only went back 15-20? By the "older is better" rule, sampling Usher's U Don't Have to Call today(23 years later) would be better than sampling the Temptations' Papa Was a Rollin Stone in 1994(22 years later). If you don't like how "simple" some of these flips are, I hope you had that same energy for all those Bad Boy hits that straight up looped hit records from like 17 years prior. All that matters is if it sounds good and you did something to make it your own. Anything other than that is bullshyt gatekeeping
I don't care about how old a song is, Dre sampled "Stan" from a Dido song that came out two years prior. It's sampling a sample that's wack to me.
Tommy Gibbs
Superstar
mark 45 king. Dre had absolutely nothing to do with that beat
Awesome Wells
The Bobby Womack of Crack
He's right.
But I donāt think the argument is based in people sampling things that are too recent. I think it's more on the quality of the music being made today, and the lack of creativity. He brought up "It Ain't Hard to Tell", as an example. But Large Pro didn't just loop "Human Nature" and call it a day. His beats would be like 5-6 different samples and chops put together and arranged to sound like something completely new. He actually mastered the art of sampling.
So I donāt think the issue is sampling joints that are too new. It's about sampling and being lazy about it. Which was the same argument Showbiz and Diamond used to speak on in the 90's. Sampling is fine, but if you're not creative with how you're doing it and your sh*t is lazy and wack, it's going to show.
But I donāt think the argument is based in people sampling things that are too recent. I think it's more on the quality of the music being made today, and the lack of creativity. He brought up "It Ain't Hard to Tell", as an example. But Large Pro didn't just loop "Human Nature" and call it a day. His beats would be like 5-6 different samples and chops put together and arranged to sound like something completely new. He actually mastered the art of sampling.
So I donāt think the issue is sampling joints that are too new. It's about sampling and being lazy about it. Which was the same argument Showbiz and Diamond used to speak on in the 90's. Sampling is fine, but if you're not creative with how you're doing it and your sh*t is lazy and wack, it's going to show.
No. This is definitely one of the arguments. Thats all mfs gripe about.
Eh.
9th, these āsamplesā arenāt even chopped or being replayed. Call a bullshĒt loop what it is ā and there were trash loops in the 90s. And itās one thing if the content in the song was Kendrick quality then I could understand but we are getting trash King Combs records or whatever Young Berg decides to scoop up.
And he said āwe canāt get on these kids for not knowingā and thatās correct but who is teaching them because a 13 year old kid isnāt putting up the bread to buy a laptop or phone to consume content. Someone has to curate the news, culture, music and manners that these kids build their value system on.
For the kids today, you might not know where to look first but itās laid out for you so feel just as hyped as we felt when we ādiscoveredā 70s soul and 80s R&B.
9th, these āsamplesā arenāt even chopped or being replayed. Call a bullshĒt loop what it is ā and there were trash loops in the 90s. And itās one thing if the content in the song was Kendrick quality then I could understand but we are getting trash King Combs records or whatever Young Berg decides to scoop up.
And he said āwe canāt get on these kids for not knowingā and thatās correct but who is teaching them because a 13 year old kid isnāt putting up the bread to buy a laptop or phone to consume content. Someone has to curate the news, culture, music and manners that these kids build their value system on.
For the kids today, you might not know where to look first but itās laid out for you so feel just as hyped as we felt when we ādiscoveredā 70s soul and 80s R&B.
Awesome Wells
The Bobby Womack of Crack
Truth.
And I think older dudes like 9th are scared to call out younger generations because they donāt want to look old and bitter. But even if we go back to the 90's, dudes like Pete Rock and Large Professor were 17-18 years old making classic sh*t with legends, and they were barely out of high school. They took the time to master their craft and be creative with the art. Prince Paul was 18-19 years old working on 3 Feet High and Rising with De La.
So 9th is making it about age, out of fear. It's not about that. It's really about the lack of talent and creativity today. The laziness we see a lot now. A lot of the OG's have failed the culture by being too scared to speak on it because no one wants to be old unc complaining, but it still needs to be said.