A$ap rocky makes better music than cole

[SirBiatch]

LOL. Bruh... ASAP Rocky has made better music than almost ANYONE in the rap game in the last 5 years. fukk outta here with Cole. Dude was always trashbags on some Missy Elliot shyt, but without the charm and innovation.

By the way, I'm a new member to The Coli. I've seen some threads here over the years and decided to join. Y'all seem to know your hip hop shyt in comparison to kanyetothe and other newbie hipster sites.

 

[MercuryHayes]

Live love asap > life.

 

[AkaDemiK]

if you're 19 and under....when did the coli get so many kids to sign up?

 

[SirBiatch]

if you're 19 and under....when did the coli get so many kids to sign up?

the fukk you talking about? J Cole makes kids music. Isn't this the same nikka that has a track called Wet Dreamz?!

FOH

If you really look into what each artist is doing, Rocky makes WAY deeper music than Cole. It's not even close. Cole doesn't have a track called "Demons" and will never in his life think of making a song like that. Aesthetically that song is so beyond anything Cole has ever made.

 

[AkaDemiK]

the fukk you talking about? J Cole makes kids music. Isn't this the same nikka that has a track called Wet Dreamz?!

FOH

If you really look into what each artist is doing, Rocky makes WAY deeper music than Cole. It's not even close. Cole doesn't have a track called "Demons" and will never in his life think of making a song like that. Aesthetically that song is so beyond anything Cole has ever made.

J. Cole is 100x the artist that rocky is. Lol @ rocky making deeper music...go look at cole's first mixtapes...

 

[SirBiatch]

J. Cole is 100x the artist that rocky is. Lol @ rocky making deeper music...go look at cole's first mixtapes...

First of all, we're talking about MUSIC. not computer printouts.

Yes on paper Cole addresses "deeper" topics than Rocky but it's not exactly Einstein. He just says dull generic shyt about topics every rapper has talked about before: abortion, the come up, money, chicks, and the Grammys. Cole is one dimensional as fukk. Everyone who isn't a Cole stan can see this.

Rocky makes deeper music overall because there's more going on. Take a track like Demons for example. The beat itself says a million things. It's a phenomenal beat. That beat is deep as fukk. It's sad, kinda beautiful, eerie, goes hard, dreamy all at the same time. Rocky's aesthetic is East Coast boom bap mixed with Screw mixed with ambient new-age shyt and West Coast/Snoop attitude with Bone Thugs rhyme patterns. There's WAY more going on with Rocky's shyt. It's far more emotionally complex.

You're gonna say: 'well that's Clams Casino, it's not Rocky.' Yeah, but Rocky chose to work with Clams Casino. Who wasn't popular at all. He went, found the dude and said... "you know what... let's try something unique". That's how you know a smart nikka.

Case in point: I remember having a convo with a 19 year old kid about 3 years ago. We were talking about Rocky. He told me how Rocky was too weird for him when Rocky came out. It confused the shyt out of him. But as his friends jumped on the bandwagon, he started to really listen to it. And it turned his world upside down. He was saying how he doesn't bump Cole anymore because Cole got stale. lol.

Trust me my nikka. I know deep shyt when I hear it. And Cole is NOT deep whatsover. Rocky's not intellectually deep by a long shot. But his flows and overall approach to hip hop on Live.Love.ASAP? Deep as fukk

 

[AkaDemiK]

First of all, we're talking about MUSIC. not computer printouts.

Yes on paper Cole addresses "deeper" topics than Rocky but it's not exactly Einstein. He just says dull generic shyt about topics every rapper has talked about before: abortion, the come up, money, chicks, and the Grammys. Cole is one dimensional as fukk. Everyone who isn't a Cole stan can see this.

Rocky makes deeper music overall because there's more going on. Take a track like Demons for example. The beat itself says a million things. It's a phenomenal beat. That beat is deep as fukk. It's sad, kinda beautiful, eerie, goes hard, dreamy all at the same time. Rocky's aesthetic is East Coast boom bap mixed with Screw mixed with ambient new-age shyt and West Coast/Snoop attitude with Bone Thugs rhyme patterns. There's WAY more going on with Rocky's shyt. It's far more emotionally complex.

You're gonna say: 'well that's Clams Casino, it's not Rocky.' Yeah, but Rocky chose to work with Clams Casino. Who wasn't popular at all. He went, found the dude and said... "you know what... let's try something unique". That's how you know a smart nikka.

Case in point: I remember having a convo with a 19 year old kid about 3 years ago. We were talking about Rocky. He told me how Rocky was too weird for him when Rocky came out. It confused the shyt out of him. But as his friends jumped on the bandwagon, he started to really listen to it. And it turned his world upside down. He was saying how he doesn't bump Cole anymore because Cole got stale. lol.

Trust me my nikka. I know deep shyt when I hear it. And Cole is NOT deep whatsover. Rocky's not intellectually deep by a long shot. But his flows and overall approach to hip hop on Live.Love.ASAP? Deep as fukk

so you attempted to tell me why cole's music isn't deep with examples of some of the topics he speaks on and did nothing of the sort when trying to explain why you feel rocky is deeper with his music...

cool...good talk nikka and oh yea, cole makes his own beats to provide the backdrop to whatever topic he feels like addressing...so all the props you tried to give rocky with his selection of beats...they were created by another nikka for him to hand picked...

 

[SirBiatch]

so you attempted to tell me my cole's music isn't deep with examples of some of the topics he speaks on and did nothing of the sort when trying to explain why you feel rocky is deeper with his music...

cool...good talk nikka

Wow. My shyt flew over your head for real. I was trying to make the point that Rocky is far more eclectic than J Cole, and executes that eclecticism really well. That's the mark of intelligence when it comes to music.

When you can take elements of great, very different shyt that normally wouldn't mix and mix it in a way that's unique, cohesive, powerful and personal.... that's how you know an intelligent dude. All great rappers do this.

J Cole is a Kanye/Nas clone, but way duller.

A song doesn't have to have 'serious' lyrics to convey deep ass shyt. Because music is mostly about vibe and atmosphere. When will you nikkas learn this?!

 

[AkaDemiK]

Wow. My shyt flew over your head for real. I was trying to make the point that Rocky is far more eclectic than J Cole, and executes that eclecticism really well. That's the mark of intelligence when it comes to music.

When you can take elements of great, very different shyt that normally wouldn't mix and mix it in a way that's unique, cohesive, powerful and personal.... that's how you know an intelligent dude. All great rappers do this.

J Cole is a Kanye/Nas clone, but way duller.

A song doesn't have to have 'serious' lyrics to convey deep ass shyt. Because music is mostly about vibe and atmosphere. When will you nikkas learn this?!

No. Nothing went over my head. You tried to underhand Cole's content without actually providing the same comparison for Rocky's music. I wonder why. Lol @ Rocky being eclectic...really now? dude is mixing down south shyt with his east coast influences.....he was labeled a biter at one point in time, don't forget this. There is nothing eclectic abut rapping over clam casino instrumentals. There is nothing eclectic about a harlem rapper making music like he lives in the dirty south.

cole makes his own beats...and raps....he is more creative than rocky ever will be for these two facts alone. Now regarding the music having serious lyrics to be deep, I never said this...I was simply giving examples of some of the topics that cole addressed...nothing more nothing less. You can make a deep record about a pebble if you do it right.

I'm not a fan of rocky's music outside of club/party

 

[Big Mel]

J Cole sucks.

 

[SirBiatch]

No. Nothing went over my head. You tried to underhand Cole's content without actually providing the same comparison for Rocky's music. I wonder why. Lol @ Rocky being eclectic...really now? dude is mixing down south shyt with his east coast influences.....he was labeled a biter at one point in time, don't forget this. There is nothing eclectic abut rapping over clam casino instrumentals. There is nothing eclectic about a harlem rapper making music like he lives in the dirty south.

cole makes his own beats...and raps....he is more creative than rocky ever will be for these two facts alone. Now regarding the music having serious lyrics to be deep, I never said this...I was simply giving examples of some of the topics that cole addressed...nothing more nothing less. You can make a deep record about a pebble if you do it right.

I'm not a fan of rocky's music outside of club/party

1. Yes. What I said went over your head because you're still harping on 'content'. When I'm trying to tell you that content is not the be-all and end-all of what makes an intelligent artist.

I already pointed out that Cole addresses more serious topics than ASAP Rocky. But that doesn't make his MUSIC deeper than Rocky's. Because music is an overall package of production, flows and themes.

Take "Palace". That song is deeper than anything Cole has ever made because the ambiance of it all (the atmosphere) is next level. It actually gives you that "holy shyt" vibe, which J Cole's music NEVER does. Your average 15 year old is not listening to new age music and simply won't get the aesthetic. They can certainly relate to Wet Dreamz tho, lol. and "Work Out", etc. So who is really making kids music?

2. Rocky was labeled a biter by dumb nikkas. LOL at nikkas who think it's easy to mix the styles of almost all coasts of rap into one cohesive project.

3. Live.Love.ASAP is such a Harlem album to its core. It's hilarious to me when stuck-in-a-box NYC/East Coast dudes front on Rocky. Bruh, Live.Love.ASAP is the most East Coast shyt I've heard in a long time. If you take away the frills of Screw and all that, those beats are very New York. But because they're not "look we're taking it back to NY days" beats, some New York nikkas sleep. "Trilla" has a fukking Das EFX vocal in the chorus. LOL. How much more New York is that? Clams Casino is a Jersey dude who grew up imitating Wu-tang and Mobb Deep beats. And you can tell in tracks like "Bass" and "Wassup".

Besides, Harlem nikkas are known to be fashionable to a fault. They'll take styles from wherever. It's a Harlem thing.

Just because you make your own beats doesn't make you creative. It's about the execution and what you bring to the table. How many Cole songs are straight up rip-offs of classic 90s beats? Cmon don't make me list them.

 

[Wild self]

Such a struggle thread.
The proof is in the pudding.

Asap just dropped like two songs in the past couple of months and nobody gives a fukk nor is anyone playing

I actually forgot about ASAP Rocky and didn't hear much from him in over a year. Its Drake this, Weezy that, Bobby Shmurda what, Cole's sales, Kendrick's remarks, etc., but nothing about ASAP Rocky. I find some of his songs entertaining in a southern party type of way, but nothing else

 

[Wild self]

Rocky had songs handed to him with hooks and concepts already made, all he had to was lay down decent 16s.

Plus Yams picked all his beats, hopefully he picked enough before he passed

This next album will make or break Rocky as a commercial rap artist

Without Yams, Rocky better be on some now-or-never shyt.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

A$AP Mob has arguably the greatest ear for beats of this generation.

 

[MINT]

J Cole sucks.