A conscious African American can never truly be patriotic

[theworldismine13]

This statement is true.

Some people can't fathom and it's frightening but America will NEVER be ours, nor will we receive equality. Unless there's a disaster and the infrastructure along with many white people are killed.

Only if you're satisfied being a second class citizen, is America for us. Make no mistake this country will insure it remains a majority white nation. They did the math way back when slavery first begun. To make sure black people are always outnumbered at least 5 to 1.

A simple concept that insures our democratic approach is always nullified. Anything we can lay claim to is a tax write off to white supremacy. These black cities...they can bankrupt them anytime they want.

We have absolutely nothing tangible in this country. We will never have any REAL ownership in this country. I know some of you are dreaming but, you can never beat the house. That's what some of you plan. And it's what they want us all to dream for. That way we stay peaceful and don't flip the table over on some "fukk this, yall cheating" shyt.

so what do you suggest black people do about the situation?

 

[Dzali OG]

so what do you suggest black people do about the situation?

Firstly, we have to know who our pro-black people's are. Basically, who's down for the cause. We have to have black on one side, c00n on the other. So we can get an accurate picture of our, American black nation.

We need to know what we want, we're not even on the same page on that. Knowing what we want, we need to know if we're prepared for the repercussions and change in lifestyle. Meaning we have to truly understand what white supremacy is and what it includes.

Honestly, we would need to come with an alternative system to replace white supremacy. Like it or not, white supremacy has this world running. There would be a need for some organized structure to insure humanity continues progressing. Or would we simply shrink the world again. Don't know too many brothers lining up to go on space or to the bottom of the ocean, etc.

This is just for starters...

 

[wingzboy]

Black people who talk of not being "cry babies" and finding your place in America are just wishful thinkers who have not accepted their place in the country. Nobody said anything about sitting on your ass complaining about your station in life, that is obviously accepting defeat without trying to challenge the conditions imposed on you. However, if you do overcome the odds and do become successful, why the hell should you feel a sense of pride or joy towards a system responsible for those conditions you had to face in the first place?

It's like being a victim of a cruel slave master who for no other reason but commercial greed had stripped you of your family, land, and identity, and serves you a daily diet of whippings to toil on his fields, yet one day you manage to escape his clutches and decide to take a photo of his estate with you to reflect on it nostalgically. That is not normal behavior as the photo shouldn't be bringing you happy memories, it should be reminding you of the unnecessary pain and grief you had to suffer in another man's home, and for the average African American this "home" is America.

 

[theworldismine13]

Black people who talk of not being "cry babies" and finding your place in America are just wishful thinkers who have not accepted their place in the country. Nobody said anything about sitting on your ass complaining about your station in life, that is obviously accepting defeat without trying to challenge the conditions imposed on you. However, if you do overcome the odds and do become successful, why the hell should you feel a sense of pride or joy towards a system responsible for those conditions you had to face in the first place?

It's like being a victim of a cruel slave master who for no other reason but commercial greed had stripped you of your family, land, and identity, and serves you a daily diet of whippings to toil on his fields, yet one day you manage to escape his clutches and decide to take a photo of his estate with you to reflect on it nostalgically. That is not normal behavior as the photo shouldn't be bringing you happy memories, it should be reminding you of the unnecessary pain and grief you had to suffer in another man's home, and for the average African American this "home" is America.

its pretty simple becuase im not pessemestic about black people in america, i think black people will continue to grow in economic and poltical power in america, and i think america is the best place in the world to increase our power,

i think america is a double edge sword, i think black people need to make a pragamatic assessment of the negatives and positives of the us not an emotional one

 

[theworldismine13]

Firstly, we have to know who our pro-black people's are. Basically, who's down for the cause. We have to have black on one side, c00n on the other. So we can get an accurate picture of our, American black nation.

We need to know what we want, we're not even on the same page on that. Knowing what we want, we need to know if we're prepared for the repercussions and change in lifestyle. Meaning we have to truly understand what white supremacy is and what it includes.

Honestly, we would need to come with an alternative system to replace white supremacy. Like it or not, white supremacy has this world running. There would be a need for some organized structure to insure humanity continues progressing. Or would we simply shrink the world again. Don't know too many brothers lining up to go on space or to the bottom of the ocean, etc.

This is just for starters...

i dont believe white supreamcy or racism is the real problem, the problem is and has always been that black people havent had an economic system that can compete with the european economic system, and i dont think black people have developed the military and scientifc knowledge to compete with european military and science, until black people do that black people will always be on the bottom

white supremacy and racism are not root causes, they are the after effect of black people being defeated miltiarily and economically

 

[the next guy]

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[Richard Wright]

i dont believe white supreamcy or racism is the real problem, the problem is and has always been that black people havent had an economic system that can compete with the european economic system, and i dont think black people have developed the military and scientifc knowledge to compete with european military and science, until black people do that black people will always be on the bottom

white supremacy and racism are not root causes, they are the after effect of black people being defeated miltiarily and economically

I dont fully agree. I think we as blacks have those things but they exist in the context of the overall American system and do not benefit the black community specifically, the blacks with those skills are well rewarded though.

 

[wingzboy]

I dont fully agree. I think we as blacks have those things but they exist in the context of the overall American system and do not benefit the black community specifically, the blacks with those skills are well rewarded though.

i agree with this to a degree

 

[Blackking]

This is my view on America exactly. That "America isnt for the black man " shyt is for losers and registered democrats.

Just because you feel , rightfully so, that America isn't for US doesn't make you a loser - it simply makes you realistic and not in denial of history.
Just because you feel that we aren't real citizens..... doesn't mean you'll vote dem

i don't vote dem, didn't even vote for obama.
i was a combat troop for america for years- doing the shyt better than Real patriots who love America
i'm not a loser and I am a capitalist business owner --- who is a socialist.


Amerikka teaches blacks to do one of three things::

1) live their best in enemy territory
2) be in denial and pretend that this is OUR good ol U.S.A and it's for us
3) be the loser you described above.

Peace.

 

[Blackking]

I dont fully agree. I think we as blacks have those things but they exist in the context of the overall American system and do not benefit the black community specifically, the blacks with those skills are well rewarded though.

like with a cookie....


so you can eat the cookie and dose off while your people suffer..

 

[Blackking]

How were Jews a minority in the Middle East able to just take land and say "this here is ours, deal with it"...?

Blacks would have been better off just taking over a couple of big states in the East Coast (for easier trade with Africa) and creating their own infrastructure...Kind of an unofficial black America...The same way Quebec is in Canada, yes it is Canada, but they do their own thing up there, and as long as they don't talk about "we want to separate" the rest of Canada doesn't care...

That's what should be black people's goal in America...The thing is Black people as a group have never had this kind of vision...Historically speaking...

Black people have never really had "nation building" type leaders...Shaka Zulu and that's about it...

Shaka Zulu got power hungry and eventually allow the Britsh to have Full access to southern Africa..............


We have young men Right Now with ten times the potential of any African leader not named a Mali or Sudanic or Ethiopian king. ....


We should take over a couple states, I'm not sure if that is doable at this point, because we have millions just trying to survive who aren't able to move............

but the jews didn't all move at once........... eventually they created that nation.

 

[Richard Wright]

Just because you feel , rightfully so, that America isn't for US doesn't make you a loser - it simply makes you realistic and not in denial of history.
Just because you feel that we aren't real citizens..... doesn't mean you'll vote dem

i don't vote dem, didn't even vote for obama.
i was a combat troop for america for years- doing the shyt better than Real patriots who love America
i'm not a loser and I am a capitalist business owner --- who is a socialist.


Amerikka teaches blacks to do one of three things::

1) live their best in enemy territory
2) be in denial and pretend that this is OUR good ol U.S.A and it's for us
3) be the loser you described above.

Peace.

With respect, I was born in the 90s.

Where im from cops(the state) hates everyone in 90 percent of the city, the 90 percent that is lower income. If you guys truly want progress, if we truly want progress, more young black men need to think like me and my friends, who view America and the sacrifices made by black people over the last 400 years here as a mandate to build something. As a mandate to claim our rightful stake in this country.

Im too young to see America as a place that is not for me. , white people have not done so hot in my time either. I have done well for myself, better than I could have imagined, and I am just getting started, Im trying to get to the level youre at, getting to that kind of level gives me a claim to this as my country. I agree that this is enemy territory, but that is because America belongs to the entrepreneurs and capitalists. Im trying to join that class so I can make a claim.

I think that integration was the worst thing for black people honestly, if we had avoided that we would be able to more clearly see the claim we have to this land and opportunities. I completely agree with your 'cookie' comparison, and I think it is integration that creates that scenario. The problem is I was born 40 years after brown vs the board. I might as well learn the science and business of these 'cacs' so that I can build something for myself, and make something of myself to imporve my community.

Isnt the next generation of brehs staking a claim, going for entrepreneurship and ownership, learning science and practicing group economics exactly what you want? If so then I need to see this as my land, because I damn sure have a right to. My grandfather was a slave, my father was a lawyer for these cacs and now I want to build something for myself.

 

[Blackout]

This is true.

Until racists whites are put into the minority we cant fully embrace this country.

 

[Blackout]

With respect, I was born in the 90s.

Where im from cops(the state) hates everyone in 90 percent of the city, the 90 percent that is lower income. If you guys truly want progress, if we truly want progress, more young black men need to think like me and my friends, who view America and the sacrifices made by black people over the last 400 years here as a mandate to build something. As a mandate to claim our rightful stake in this country.

Im too young to see America as a place that is not for me. , white people have not done so hot in my time either. I have done well for myself, better than I could have imagined, and I am just getting started, Im trying to get to the level youre at, getting to that kind of level gives me a claim to this as my country. I agree that this is enemy territory, but that is because America belongs to the entrepreneurs and capitalists. Im trying to join that class so I can make a claim.

I think that integration was the worst thing for black people honestly, if we had avoided that we would be able to more clearly see the claim we have to this land and opportunities. I completely agree with your 'cookie' comparison, and I think it is integration that creates that scenario. The problem is I was born 40 years after brown vs the board. I might as well learn the science and business of these 'cacs' so that I can build something for myself, and make something of myself to imporve my community.

Isnt the next generation of brehs staking a claim, going for entrepreneurship and ownership, learning science and practicing group economics exactly what you want? If so then I need to see this as my land, because I damn sure have a right to. My grandfather was a slave, my father was a lawyer for these cacs and now I want to build something for myself.

Most people who say this dont really know much about the segregation period.

 

[Richard Wright]

Most people who say this dont really know much about the segregation period.

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