A Generation of American Men Give Up on College: ‘I Just Feel Lost’

[MoneyTron]

Government loans are why tuition costs are so high. When you subsidize a service, the provider raises prices because they have a guaranteed price floor.
If you want to lower education costs, you increase competition and get government out of the loan business. This is actually happening now with the rise of online schooling and certification programs.

Part of the arguments regarding college now and why people are waking up is the cheaper cost of the aforementioned. We see how bullshyt administrative costs are used to justify high tuition prices for brick and mortar campuses. So, just go to a cheap online school, learning platform, or use free resources and get the degree/cert for a fraction of the cost in terms of time and money.

That works for some career fields, especially IT, but not most.

As for there being a price floor, I don't disagree. However, I still haven't seen anyone explain where the overcharging is occurring at the average state school.

 

[Luke Cage]

Receiving a(n) (good) education is independent of going to college. Plenty of people do go to college and don't learn much. They can recite textbook knowledge and pass exams, but they can not think nor can they create.

They went to school, they learned some things but they are not truly educated. If they come out with critical thinking skills then I agree with you, but let's not pretend that colleges these days by and large are interested in promoting that.

As to the bolded - I don't agree. Working and grinding doesn't mean you do not have time to learn the basic nonsense taught in common core classes. Education starts with the self. If you want to learn, you will. No excuses. The basic common core classes are things a high schooler can do. Let's stop pretending college is some magical education gate that can't be replaced by going through Youtube, Quora, and Medium for most of the non-practical majors.

You're wrong actually. Education is just an achievement. an accomplishment. If you have two degree's you are more educated than someone with 1 degree. thats it. it's not a measure of how intelligent you are, but how much schooling or training you have had. It's quantitative, not qualitative. If you have a high school diploma you are educated. if i have a ph'd , i am more educated than you. period. Thats why education is able to ranked in the four levels (primary school (called elementary school in the United States), middle school, secondary school (called high school in the United States), and then postsecondary (tertiary) education.

Knowledge or be welll learned, which is what i believe you are referring to, can't be ranked. because knowledge is relative. You are only as smart as you are relative to other people. In the bushes with people like Pazzy, i might be considered a genius, in higher learning they might consider me a dumbass. it's relative. Being educated or not is universal. If you achieved one or more of the 4 levels, you are educated. period

 

[Shamayw_33]

It wasn't taxable income they were after really, it had more to do with the fact women spend more money on unnecessary shyt than men. They empowered women to fatten their pockets, but that taxable income isn't doing shyt for the government like that.

My brother, if half the population isn't being taxed, then that absolutely hurts the government.

Those housewives could get money from their husband's and still spend money on unnecessary stuff. Not only that, some husbands would damn near kill themselves to get their wife any and everything she wants...queue the simps.

My point is, if only the husband works and he's making 80k a year. The government is only taxing his 80k. If the wife has to work because cost of living, inflation, women's right...etc., then the government is not taxing the husband's 80k, but her income as well. It definitely matters.

What they didn't anticipate was birth rates and the overall impact it would have on all Americans. They wanted to destroy and harm the black family more than any other race. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.

 

[Skooby]

Haven't read the thread but some industries need college...STEM/Law/Medicine/Finance. Major in those fields. If it's not in one of those fields it may not be worth it going to college. Consider military or trade school.

Some employers may look at college as what someone has been willing to do to progress in their profession. Same with certifications. What separates you from the next person.

Also consider your career path when choosing a school. If you're looking to work at a fortune 500 company then don't go to your local no name school. But your local no name school, as long as it's regionally accredited, is fine for job locally or at a company throughout that state, region, or the federal government.

 

[Pressure]

I’ll leave this here for the youngsters. The old heads already made their decision.

Good post. Internet babble going to have a lot of these young brothers in a hard spot in their 30s.

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

My brother, if half the population isn't being taxed, then that absolutely hurts the government.

Those housewives could get money from their husband's and still spend money on unnecessary stuff. Not only that, some husbands would damn near kill themselves to get their wife any and everything she wants...queue the simps.

My point is, if only the husband works and he's making 80k a year. The government is only taxing his 80k. If the wife has to work because cost of living, inflation, women's right...etc., then the government is not taxing the husband's 80k, but her income as well. It definitely matters.

What they didn't anticipate was birth rates and the overall impact it would have on all Americans. They wanted to destroy and harm the black family more than any other race. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.

I mean it wouldn't make sense to me to do that. More workers means more competition for jobs, that will lead to either stagnant or lower wages, meaning lower taxable income. They are essentially taxing two people now on the same income that man used to bring in by themselves. Women spend money, and despite what you think most men aint just bending over and doing and buying whatever their wives want. Divorce rates are so high for a reason.

 

[MoneyTron]

Good post. Internet babble going to have a lot of these young brothers in a hard spot in their 30s.

What's crazy is that the income gap between HS and a 2 year associates' shows an education is well worth the investment, and dudes in here still calling it a scam.

People aren't being real with themselves here. Most HS-only grads are not lightning the world on fire in terms of average income in this country. Yes, there are some that are doing OK and better than OK(far better than me), but they aren't the average.

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

America is racing towards 2nd world country status as a whole.

 

[LV Koopa]

You're wrong actually. Education is just an achievement. an accomplishment. If you have two degree's you are more educated than someone with 1 degree. thats it. it's not a measure of how intelligent you are, but how much schooling or training you have had. It's quantitative, not qualitative. If you have a high school diploma you are educated. if i have a ph'd , i am more educated than you. period. Thats why education is able to ranked in the four levels (primary school (called elementary school in the United States), middle school, secondary school (called high school in the United States), and then postsecondary (tertiary) education.

Knowledge or be welll learned, which is what i believe you are referring to, can't be ranked. because knowledge is relative. You are only as smart as you are relative to other people. In the bushes with people like Pazzy, i might be considered a genius, in higher learning they might consider me a dumbass. it's relative. Being educated or not is universal. If you achieved one or more of the 4 levels, you are educated. period

Yes good points. I was referring to the knowledge one attains, not the credentials of education. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

Also consider your career path when choosing a school. If you're looking to work at a fortune 500 company then don't go to your local no name school. But your local no name school, as long as it's regionally accredited, is fine for job locally or at a company throughout that state, region, or the federal government.

I would agree with you but depending on your field, not really. Undergrad is less about the name of the school on the diploma and more about networking if that's the end of the line for you. Postgrad, the name of the school on the the degree matters...a LOT.

Some employers may look at college as what someone has been willing to do to progress in their profession. Same with certifications. What separates you for the next person.

Now this we can agree on. I know nikkas from my military days w/ Associates but got mad certs in everything from Security+, PMP, SHRM-CP/SHRM-SCP and making bank. And most of them went to for profit BS schools like Columbia Southern, Grand Canyon or Strattford.

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

There are way more opportunities that dont require a degree that
Pay decent or even great
That men go into far more than women


And women are far more likely to get degrees or go to for profit schools for career fields that pay low as shyt

So not only do they come out making low pay but also hold a large sum of school debt


It's many levels to this

And that's before even getting into the racial aspect

 

[No1]

Do they?

On the second part, I would agree that more government involvement seems like the easiest path to reducing tuition costs.

Let’s take something like law school, why exactly are you paying 50k a year to sit in a room, read a book and take one exam a semester? Only programs with labs and shyt could even somewhat justify their costs. What you’re paying for is the degree and the name - not the actual service which isn’t much different from a more affordable local school to flagship universities.

 

[Rell Lauren]

Haven't read the thread but some industries need college...STEM/Law/Medicine/Finance. Major in those fields. If it's not in one of those fields it may not be worth it going to college. Consider military or trade school.

Some employers may look at college as what someone has been willing to do to progress in their profession. Same with certifications. What separates you for the next person.

Also consider your career path when choosing a school. If you're looking to work at a fortune 500 company then don't go to your local no name school. But your local no name school, as long as it's regionally accredited, is fine for job locally or at a company throughout that state, region, or the federal government.

Those fields and the lack of men in college go hand in hand with one another. Less and less men are being accepted or going to college, so they can't get into those fields. The ripple effect of that is already happening in Finance. My firm is over 50% women. Unheard of five years ago.

 

[MoneyTron]

Let’s take something like law school, why exactly are you paying 50k a year to sit in a room, read a book and take one exam a semester? Only programs with labs and shyt could even somewhat justify their costs. What you’re paying for is the degree and the name - not the actual service which isn’t much different from a more affordable local school to flagship universities.

Grad school is an entirely different story breh. If you're going to law school you're earning a doctorate. You should expect to pay a high fee for the quality of education alone.

I'm paying out the ass for business school right now. I know what I'm getting myself into and why it costs what it does.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

Let’s take something like law school, why exactly are you paying 50k a year to sit in a room, read a book and take one exam a semester? Only programs with labs and shyt could even somewhat justify their costs. What you’re paying for is the degree and the name - not the actual service which isn’t much different from a more affordable local school to flagship universities.

You get way more out of your $65k a year Columbia Law course than you do going somewhere like Cooley Law School. Access to some of the best professors, alumni, etc. People have proven to pay the cost so if I was the institution, why would I reduce anything? And its a JD so you should expect to pay that much. Majority of college debt is held by postgrads and not 4-year diploma recipients