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[ill]

So you aren't going to answer the question?

You have no principles

It really doesn't matter if the answer is 0 people or 10000 people.

You should never be ok with your government spying on you. Even if you have nothing to hide today you don't know what tomorrow will bring. Please read some 1900's Russian history to see where your society ends up when the government spies on its citizens to these great lengths.

Currently, domestic spying illegally profiles people of Arab and/or Muslim descent. 40 years ago, these systems would be spying on the black community during King's March etc. This is an enormously dangerous policy that you are brushing aside. You (and really most of this country) seem desensitized to govt intrusion and thats a big problem. This shyt is illegal and not ok.

 

[morris]

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[Pressure]

You have no principles

ad hominem. Irrelevant.

It really doesn't matter if the answer is 0 people or 10000 people.

Here you are claiming the right to privacy is valuable on it on and not because of the intended affects of the loss of privacy.

You should never be ok with your government spying on you. Even if you have nothing to hide today you don't know what tomorrow will bring. Please read some 1900's Russian history to see where your society ends up when the government spies on its citizens to these great lengths.

Now you are attempting to back up your first claim by saying that perils of Russia is a result of them spying on their citizens without offering any support. The downfall of the USSR was due to a Myriad of reasons, but the spying was more of a symptom than root cause.

That aside, which is it. Privacy is valuable because it's good on it own right or is valuable because the loss of privacy allows a corrupt and despotic government to exert more of its nefarious will on citizens?

Currently, domestic spying illegally profiles people of Arab and/or Muslim descent. 40 years ago, these systems would be spying on the black community during King's March etc. This is an enormously dangerous policy that you are brushing aside. You (and really most of this country) seem desensitized to govt intrusion and thats a big problem. This shyt is illegal and not ok

This statement is based on a false premise. All Spying/surveillance on citizens is not illegal.

I'm glad you brought up black people, not that you've shown to be overly compassionate to our plight, but I'll let that slide. The issue for blacks wasn't that we were victims of surveillance and spy infiltration, but that the surveillance and spying was meant to undermine black civil rights and uphold white supremacy.

The profiling argument isn't really an argument for or against the rightness and wrongness of spying/surveillance/intelligence gathering so I don't quite see your point. It just seems emotional and all over the place.[/QUOTE]

 

[ill]

ad hominem. Irrelevant.

Here you are claiming the right to privacy is valuable on it on and not because of the intended affects of the loss of privacy.


Now you are attempting to back up your first claim by saying that perils of Russia is a result of them spying on their citizens without offering any support. The downfall of the USSR was due to a Myriad of reasons, but the spying was more of a symptom than root cause. 1

That aside, which is it. Privacy is valuable because it's good on it own right or is valuable because the loss of privacy allows a corrupt and despotic government to exert more of its nefarious will on citizens? 2



This statement is based on a false premise. All Spying/surveillance on citizens is not illegal.

I'm glad you brought up black people, not that you've shown to be overly compassionate to our plight, but I'll let that slide. The issue for blacks wasn't that we were victims of surveillance and spy infiltration, but that the surveillance and spying was meant to undermine black civil rights and uphold white supremacy. 3

The profiling argument isn't really an argument for or against the rightness and wrongness of spying/surveillance/intelligence gathering so I don't quite see your point. It just seems emotional and all over the place. 4

1) I didn't say it was the reason for the downfall. I said to go look at how the culture of intensely spying domestically creates a tyrannical society in itself and the pitfalls that come with it. The systemic abuses that follow are egregious and I hope we don't get there.

2) Both. You don't need to pick sides. Privacy is valuable in its own right. Privacy is also valuable in the sense that a loss of it the government generally leads to the loss of more and more of our civil liberties.

3) Not sure if you're serious here. FBI domestic spying led to COINTELPRO among other things. Literally spitting in the face of Civil Rights. The US Govt has proven time and time again that they are capable of undermining legitimate movements but you want to give them the benefit of the doubt. Our government is actively doing this shyt today..... Exclusive: Feds Regularly Monitored Black Lives Matter Since Ferguson

4) How isn't profiling an argument? Last I checked it was the key argument against policies like Stop & Frisk and Constitutionally illegal as fukk.

 

[tmonster]

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[Pressure]

1) I didn't say it was the reason for the downfall. I said to go look at how the culture of intensely spying domestically creates a tyrannical society in itself and the pitfalls that come with it. The systemic abuses that follow are egregious and I hope we don't get there.

2) Both. You don't need to pick sides. Privacy is valuable in its own right. Privacy is also valuable in the sense that a loss of it the government generally leads to the loss of more and more of our civil liberties.

3) Not sure if you're serious here. FBI domestic spying led to COINTELPRO among other things. Literally spitting in the face of Civil Rights. The US Govt has proven time and time again that they are capable of undermining legitimate movements but you want to give them the benefit of the doubt. Our government is actively doing this shyt today..... Exclusive: Feds Regularly Monitored Black Lives Matter Since Ferguson

4) How isn't profiling an argument? Last I checked it was the key argument against policies like Stop & Frisk and Constitutionally illegal as fukk.

You're attempting to make this a chicken or the egg scenario. It isn't.

1 and 2.) it can't be both. If privacy is valuable in and of itself there are no scenarios where losing privacy is okay and any act that results the loss of privacy is bad. Is that your position?

3.)cointelpro literally supports my position. Spying didn't lead to Cointelpro. A fear of anti Americans led to Cointelpro and it wasn't the collection of data and violation of privacy that's been the main issue, but instead Hoover's directives to disrupt what he viewed as anti-American. In this case there was very little utility.

Still there are plenty of evidence where sacrificing privacy is a net benefit for the country qnd it's populous.

E. G. Voter registration, ID cards, sex offender registry drivers license, seat belt laws, texting while driving, probable cause, search warrants, TV privacy controls, home surveillance systems, and many more.

4.)Profiling is bad. Not surveillance.

 

[morris]

Also, the government can even track IP even if you are TOR browser. The FBI did that a while back when they busted that bunch of Pedos.

Good. fukk those pedo's. Should bring back execution for them.