A lawyer has tracked down 817 serial rapists in one county; 50 of them had raped 10 to 15 times

[Maschine_Man]

how does it show the opposite

You can't make a statement like this without explaining your logic

before I get in to why I feel this way, let's also look at the numbers, and why ppl would feel this somehow shows rape culture. They found over 11,000 rape kits right? but they also found that a large percentage of those rapes were done by like 50 ppl. and most of of them were by serial rapists. this isn't like 11,000 ppl were raping ppl. this is more like 100 ppl raping 11,000 ppl. in a city of millions.

further than that though.....

They acknowledge that training is a huge problem.

BUT overall, THIS is the problem

"One of the reasons we have these untested rape kits ... and I can use Detroit as an example, 86% of our victims in these untested kits are people of color. You're not going to find too many blond-haired, blue eyed white women ... Because their kits are treated differently, their cases are solved."

In order for a culture to exist, there needs to be some acceptance of it. BUT, they acknowledge that rape is wrong, and they don't accept it. The problem isn't that they accept rape, the problem is tha they don't give a fukk about minorities being raped and the REAL issue is discrimination and racism. When it's a white person invovled they care and do the job right, when its a minority or a hooker, etc. then it's just brushed aside.

 

[Pressure]

Dude Juelzed himself into pointing out examples of rape culture while trying to argue against it.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

I'm going to need you nikkas to define rape culture. This is one of those left wing talking points that's as bad as the right wing "diversity is ruining America" bullshyt. Rape isn't something to be taken lightly but the term is bandied about as if it has the same level of harm as simply calling someone an idiot.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Dude Juelzed himself into pointing out examples of rape culture while trying to argue against it.

bruh,

why you worried about me, speak on the point.

your lazy and disingenuous rhetoric is tiring bruh. Speak on the point.

why don't you show how this IS rape culture?

stop worrying about me, talk about the topic. Shiiet, your first reply in this thread I was on your mind.

Grow up bruh. You are one of the lames bringing this forum down with your nonsense, but stay quick to hit "report" on the next dude.

 

[Maschine_Man]

I'm going to need you nikkas to define rape culture. This is one of those left wing talking points that's as bad as the right wing "diversity is ruining America" bullshyt. Rape isn't something to be taken lightly but the term is bandied about as if it has the same level of harm as simply calling someone an idiot.

this is what I'm saying really. we know rape happens, but that doesn't mean it's accepted or that there is some kind of ape culture surrounding it.

I need to know what they consider a culture cuz my definition doesn't say it is.

 

[Black Panther]

The fukk?

@Pink_Freud told me rape culture isn't real.

America was built on rape culture

how does this prove rape culture exists?

we all know that RAPE exists, and its fukking horrible. But this doesn't prove rape culture exists. in fact it shows the opposite.

how does it show the opposite

Dude Juelzed himself into pointing out examples of rape culture while trying to argue against it.

I'm going to need you nikkas to define rape culture. This is one of those left wing talking points that's as bad as the right wing "diversity is ruining America" bullshyt. Rape isn't something to be taken lightly but the term is bandied about as if it has the same level of harm as simply calling someone an idiot.

Can we find a solid definition of "rape culture" from a source we can all agree on? :bpohh:

It'd probably be easier if we started there. :kanyebp:

Is the Wikipedia definition okay? :bpthink:

Rape culture is a sociological concept used to describe a setting in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality.[1][2]

Behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, slut shaming, sexual objectification, trivializing rape, denial of widespread rape, refusing to acknowledge the harm caused by some forms of sexual violence, or some combination of these.[3][4] The notion of rape culture has been used to describe and explain behavior within social groups, including prison rape, and in conflict areas where war rape is used as psychological warfare. Entire societies have been alleged to be rape cultures.[5][6][7][8][9]

If we can accept this definition of rape culture, is the story in the OP consistent or inconsistent with the above criteria? :bpthink:

And if it's not indicative enough to prove that "rape culture" actually exists...why? :bpohh:

 

[Pressure]

Can we find a solid definition of "rape culture" from a source we can all agree on? :bpohh:

It'd probably be easier if we started there. :kanyebp:

Is the Wikipedia definition okay? :bpthink:





If we can accept this definition of rape culture, is the story in the OP consistent or inconsistent with the above criteria? :bpthink:

And if it's not indicative enough to prove that "rape culture" actually exists...why? :bpohh:

25 Everyday Examples of Rape Culture - Everyday Feminism

 

[Maschine_Man]

Can we find a solid definition of "rape culture" from a source we can all agree on? :bpohh:

It'd probably be easier if we started there. :kanyebp:

Is the Wikipedia definition okay? :bpthink:





If we can accept this definition of rape culture, is the story in the OP consistent or inconsistent with the above criteria? :bpthink:

And if it's not indicative enough to prove that "rape culture" actually exists...why? :bpohh:

let's start here....

"Behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, slut shaming, sexual objectification, trivializing rape, denial of widespread rape, refusing to acknowledge the harm caused by some forms of sexual violence, or some combination of these.[3][4] The notion of rape culture has been used to describe and explain behavior within social groups, including prison rape, and in conflict areas where war rape is used as psychological warfare. Entire societies have been alleged to be rape cultures"

Does this story say that this exists? or....

"Q: All the things you were talking about, the better tracking system, the new guidelines for when rape kits get tested ... in the National Institute of Justice report on the backlog (by Michigan State University Professor Rebecca Campbell), the big takeaway there was that too often, officers didn't believe victims, and had used disbelief as a way to triage their workload.

A: They just closed cases, even cases where I think they believed the victim ... They closed cases because the women had worked as prostitutes or had mental illness issues or had substance abuse. Didn't believe them, didn't care, and this was one issue that led to the backlog of these kits.


And

Q: That's something we look for in certain victims — when the victim is a teenage boy of color, or a woman who has been raped, we want them to be perfect. They can't have had a drink or have worked as a prostitute, and if they have, there's a mindset that makes them almost ineligible to be a victim.

A: One of the reasons we have these untested rape kits ... and I can use Detroit as an example, 86% of our victims in these untested kits are people of color. You're not going to find too many blond-haired, blue eyed white women ... Because their kits are treated differently, their cases are solved. That's just the way it is in this country. If you're a person of color, if you're a different economic class, then your case across the board, across the board, not just sexual assault — they're treated differently. And that's just the truth. People may not want to admit it, but I've seen it throughout my career and I know it's true ... It's just true. ... Race is at the center of this in many ways as well, unfortunately, we know that across the criminal justice system."


That doesn't seem to me like rape culture, that to me sounds more like discrimination, racism, etc. I mean, they've accepted rape is wrong for white women. They didn't say it was good for others, they just dismissed them and didn't care or didn't beleive them.

so how can you have a culture that accepts rape and does these behaviors for some but not all? maybe its something else????


that's the way it comes off to me. if anyone else wants to clarify it for me, then by all means... I'm listening.

 

[Maschine_Man]

25 Everyday Examples of Rape Culture - Everyday Feminism

are you gonna break that down or just gonna post a link and lazily walk away??

I just read their first point....

Rape Culture Is…
1. A university in Canada that allows the following student orientation chant: “Y is for your sister. O is for oh-so-tight. U is for underage. N is for no consent. G is for grab that ass.”

But then I followed the link and found this....

"Student leaders at Halifax's Saint Mary’s University are being disciplined after an Instagram video posted on Monday revealed them leading an orientation week chant extolling the joys of sexual assault. And disciplined they should be."


the university disciplined the students after they found out.....how is that allowing them to make those chants??

 

[Pressure]

So not pressing charges against sex workers, women of corporations, minorities, drunk women, and women on drugs doesn't suggest to the victims that their concerns are being overlooked and doesn’t suggest to potential and current rapist that as long as they attack those demographics they can do so without consequence?

 

[Pressure]

are you gonna break that down or just gonna post a link and lazily walk away??

You can read. Read. Being too lazy to read a link isn't an excuse nor does it strengthen your already tenuous position.

 

[Maschine_Man]

So not pressing charges against sex workers, women of corporations, minorities, drunk women, and women on drugs doesn't suggest to the victims that their concerns are being overlooked and doesn’t suggest to potential and current rapist that as long as they attack those demographics they can do so without consequence?

is that the(changing) defintion of rape culture??

or is that the definition of discrimination??

seeing how victims (in those same demographics) of other crimes are treated the same way?

 

[Maschine_Man]

You can read. Read. Being too lazy to read a link isn't an excuse nor does it strengthen your already tenuous position.

2. Pop music that tells women “you know you want it” because of these “blurred lines” (of consent).




that song?? really?

rape culture?

c'mon, maybe you need to stay away from clearly biased feminist blogs bruh.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Rape culture is a sociological concept used to describe a setting in which rape is pervasive and normalized

One can argue that rape is pervasive, and that would be a tough argument but I wouldn't consider rape normalized. Also, a lot of the behaviors associated with rape culture are subjective rather than objective. Victim blaming for example has a wide berth for interpretation. "She had it coming," and "Dress appropriately at work," are both considered examples of victim blaming though one obviously is victim blaming, the other is an appropriate comment given it is said and taken in the proper context. I don't consider slut shaming a reasonable metric because it combines actual victim blaming with a general dislike of blatant hypersexuality. It's like trying to attach a Nazi connection to a regular ideal/belief you happen to take offense to make that idea less palatable overall. Denial of widespread rape isn't a problem in and of itself if widespread rape isn't actually an issue. Your average male is not denying that rape is an issue nor the effects rape can have on a person's psychological and physical well being. However, having a belief that there is no rape culture here in America does not automatically create a rape culture in America and does make someone holding that belief a rape apologist. Rape is a term used far too lightly these days.

 

[Pressure]

Rape is a term used far too lightly these days