A post a from XBox One "engineer"

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So people in here actually believe that MS is doing all this to benefit the consumer :heh:

You guys don't think in anyway that they are gonna implement these restrictions now and then later on down the line add more restrictions when they see people accepting their policys?

Microsoft aint that the type of company where you take them for their word no matter how good it can be worded. Sony for that matter too but atleast they kinda know their place.
 

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I honestly think retailers are involved in a lot of strong-arming to keep that from happening. they know it's pretty much over for them if it happens

don't they get a kickback on the digital resales with microsoft's steam-lite and there will still be stubborn people that will buy the disc games.
 

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I agree wholeheartedly

i'll take it a step further. is anyone paying attention to what the engineer is saying when it comes to them mimicking steam?

did yall not see the part where he says consumers aka gamers want the price tag to go down on video games. well they finally could using the logic he stated there.

its true the middle man, the B & M's (gamestop, bestbuy, etc) dont want to let go of the games. thats why they will fight it tooth and nail. cause if they go all digital. the only thing that gamestop, etc can sell is accessories. the thing is the reason these companies cant yet go 100% digital including ps4. is because gamestop more or less has told them. if you dont allow us to sell games we wont sell your accessories either. thats why the engineer said its a slow process and a juggling act.

but let me ask yall whiners this. Would you rather be able to sell used games for $5.00 to $15.00 to game stop.or would you rather pay $20.00 per every game you purchase?

lets do the math.
$60.00-current price
sale my game for $15.00.
$60-$15= $45.00 you paid for your game.

if all systems went with a digital only format similar to steam.

$35.00-new price
no resale.
you paid $35.00 for your game

its pretty obvious which way is better.


and i know someone will say but but but what if i wanted to buy a used game for cheap.

the truth is, if you can get a used game for cheap in a gamestop like store. its value has dropped since its been out for awhile(if everyone loves it and has bought it day one) or ( if no one likes it and it didnt sale that well). those two thigns will dictate the USED price right? right

well without USED games and digital only. just like you see on xbox marketplace right now. older games are a lot cheaper then they were when they first dropped.

you can drop the price of a digital game thats been out for awhile. yall do realize this right?
 

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He has some good points but ultimately he's an M$ employee and is gonna stan his employer to no end. Also he's an idiot that doesn't realize that no matter what shytloads of people will always want a physical copy of what they buy. Especially if it's $60...pls don't compare buying a song for $1 off itunes to this either.

Another problem is this is Microsoft! Lot of people use Windows but still hate M$ as a corporation. Bottomline, they don't trust Microsoft and this is just feeding into that fear even more. The Xbox is kneedeep full of proprietary bullshyt...if it were more of an open console like Playstation people would probably be more openminded to this shyt.
 

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It cheaper with better graphics that the only reason he saying that :aicmon:

lol maybe so, The Neo Geo was of the most hardcore gaming systems out in the 90's and it was about 800-900 in today's money. People have hiveminded and convince themselves that Sony loves them and is all about gamers, BULLshyt!!! Sony has a history of lying and half truths. Sony is only coming correct because they have too. They almost went bankrupt, they cant afford another disaster console launch, they whole electronics division is a shell of its former self.
 

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>Think about it, on steam you get a game for the true cost of the game, 5$-30$. On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for when you sell / trade / borrow / etc. If the developer / publisher can't get it on additional licenses (like steam), then they charge the first person more. [...] If we say "Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$" that is a decent model... Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now? That's a revenue increase.


I don't understand. If they want to make DD games cheaper, what is stopping them from making DD games cheaper?

That argument doesn't make sense.

So he's basically saying that when I pay full price/box price for a game I DD im getting ripped off?
 

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MS is going to be stern and stick to their stance.

Once these console are in the wild and people actually start seeing how the restrictions work and how it isn't like it's always been it's going to be comedy. Casual gamers who aren't really following what's going on are in for a rude awakening.
 

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MS needs to drop the price of digital games to 39.99. That would do all the talking that needs to be done.
 

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don't they get a kickback on the digital resales with microsoft's steam-lite and there will still be stubborn people that will buy the disc games.

I'm sure retailers strong-armed them into getting a piece of the used sales as well. but part of the reason they can use that leverage is because people think the used market is the only way to get games cheaper

I agree some people will still prefer discs. but their market will take a huge hit. for that matter it would probably be the end for Gamestop and such, as they couldn't take the loss like Best Buy or Walmart
 

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This is from: microsoft engineer on xb1 - Pastebin.com

" >The thing is we suck at telling the story. The whole point of the DRM switch from disc based to cloud based is to kill disc swapping, scratched discs, bringing discs to friends house, trade-ins for shyt value with nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam's model requires a limited used game model.

>The thing is, the DRM is really really similar to steam... You can login anywhere and play your games, anyone in your house can play with the family xbox. The only diff is steam you have to sign in before playing, and Xbox does it automatically at night for you (once per 24 hours)

>It's a long tail strategy, just like steam. Steam had it's growing pains at the beginning with all it's drm shyt as well. [...] For digital downloads steam had no real competition at the time, they were competing against boxed sales. At the time people were pretty irate about steam, (on ***** too...) It was only once they had a digital marketplace with DRM that was locked down to prevent sharing that they could do super discounted shyt.

>Think about it, on steam you get a game for the true cost of the game, 5$-30$. On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for when you sell / trade / borrow / etc. If the developer / publisher can't get it on additional licenses (like steam), then they charge the first person more. [...] If we say "Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$" that is a decent model... Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now? That's a revenue increase.

>Competition is the best man, it helps drive both to new heights. See technology from the Cold War. If we had no USSR, we'd be way worse off today. TLDR: Bring it on Steam :smile:

2/4

>Yeah we passed that around the office at Xbox. Most of us were like "Well played Sony, Well played". That being said they are just riding the hype train of ZOMG THEY ARE TRYING TO fukk US FOR NO REASON. Without actually thinking about how convienent it would be for the majority of the time to not find that disc your brother didn't put back... [...] just simpleminded people not seeing the bigger picture. Some PS4 viral team made them all "U TOOK R DISCS" and they hiveminded.

>Everyone and their mother complains about how gamestop fukks them on their trade ins, getting 5$ for their used games. We come in trying to find a way to take money out of gamestop, and put some in developers and get you possibly cheaper games and everyone bytches at MS. Well, if you want the @#$@ing from Gamestop, go play PS4.

>The goal is to move to digital downloads, but Gamestop, Walmart, Target, Amazon are KIND OF fukkING ENTRENCHED in the industry. They have a lot of power, and the shift has to be gradual. Long term goal is steam for consoles. [...] If you always want to stay with what you have, then keep current consoles, or a PS4. We're TRYING to move the industry forwards towards digital distribution... it'sa bumpy road

>Publishers have enourmous power. Microsoft is trying to balance between consumer delight, and publisher wishes. If we cave to far in either direction you have a non-starting product. WiiU goes too far to consumer, you have no 3rd party support to shake a stick at. PS4 is status-quo. XB1 is trying to push some things, at the expense of others. We have a vision, we'll see if it works in the coming years

>Living room transformation. We want to own the living room. Every living room TV with an XBox on input one. It's the thing that gives the signal to your TV, everything is secondary. The future, where games, TV, internet telephony, all that shyt happens magically on some huge ass screen with hand / voice gestures... That's our goal.


3/4

>Google TV + PS4 + Minority report level gestures, that combined with a sick second screen experience (which is really hot for TV, I know I know.. tv tv tv tv tv... but it's fukking sick when you have it). Games will be the same, there are more exclusives to MS then PS atm, and Kinect 2 makes Kinect 1 look like a childs toy.

>By default it's on, listening for "Xbox On". You can turn it off tho, and turn the console like OFF off. OFF off is required for Germany / other countries that require it (no vampire appliances) [...] It has to be plugged in for the console to post. You can turn off everything it does from the settings. Think of it like airplane mode for the iPhone. You can't just unplug the cellular radio, but you can turn it off.

>Instead of 10mins, is 24hrs for your console, and 1 or 2 at a friends house. Really the majority of people have a speck of internet at least once a day. And if you don't. Don't buy an Xbox 1. Just like if you didn't have a broadband connection don't get Live, and if you don't have an HDTV the 360 isn't that great for you either. New tech, new req. This allows us to do cool shyt when we can assume things like you have a kinect, you have internet, etc.

>Current plan is basically you're fukked after 24 hours. Yeah... I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to "call in" to ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something... but there is no plan YET. I'm hoping the change it, but I don't work on that so I don't have much influence there /sigh

>If the power goes out you ain't playing shyt. I'm assuming you mean the internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You're fukked for single player games. Again, that's the PoR (Plan of record), but I expect it to change after the e3 clusterfukk

>What fee? There is no fee to play your games at your friends house. Never has, never will. Even x360 digital downloads could do that.


4/4

>The cloud capabilities is the shyt they like the most. We basically made a huge cloud compute shyt and made it free. What people are doing with it is kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do. Anything that doesn't need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms delays can be shifted to the cloud. That's huge.

>SmartGlass + IE is going to be pretty freaking sweet. 1 finger cursor, 2 finger direct manip. Basically if you think of a laptop trackpad where your phone/ slate is the trackpad and the monitor is your TV... it's that. The tech is there, just needs to be applied. There is some really cool shyt going on with Petra + controllers that pairs people with controllers. So if person with controller two trades controlers with controller 1, their profiles magically switch. It's sick. What does this matter? Now if you lean left/right it knows which person is leaning, even if 4 people are all int he same room. It's awesome.

>New service using Azure for cloud compute. Allows developers to not use clients for hosting multiplayer servers, or other tasks that do not require per frame calcuations. It's pretty sweet.

>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.

This was all from the Microsoft engineer that was on /b/ last night.

>It's not worth my time to prove it, or risk my Job. I work in Studio A, 40th ave in Redmond, Wa. The thai place in the studio cafeteria has double punch wednesdays. Go ahead and call them and verify if you want."





Of course take this with grain salt but it actually puts it into perspective. It doesn't mean you have to agree. As I said before change the check in to a weekly check in, and find a easier way to sell used games.

P.S. If you can't discuss this with being a fanboy please don't post. Leave the talking to man. :win:



This is all 100 percent bs! All this 'hey we effin you but its for your own good" or "yes, we are effin you know but its for the future of gaming.... and it's for your own good" all while harps are playing.... its all shyt

All shyt!


"Microsoft..... it's all shyt"

The new slogan~
 

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Xbox One policy won't change in the short term. - Spencer - Xbox 360 & Xbox Forums

the MS employees name is Flynn_78 he responds to the criticisms of the X1 talks about their policies positive and negative:yeshrug:its a good read and interesting :lupe:

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"Living room transformation. We want to own the living room. Every living room TV with an XBox on input one. It's the thing that gives the signal to your TV, everything is secondary. The future, where games, TV, internet telephony, all that shyt happens magically on some huge ass screen with hand / voice gestures... That's our goal

Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4."



This is why I'm turned off by the XboxOne, I care about gaming, all that other stuff Tv, Kinect etc, I don't give a fukk about.. So it's PS4 for me :ehh:
 
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too much bs to read

go ask xbox and ps3 owners about steam and how much do they know of it. That will tell you exactly why xbox model is being criticized.

Heck i consider myself a hardcore gamer, but i have never fukked around with steam. I have it installed on my computer for reasons unknown, but i have never used it.

And m$ hasn't come out and said that xbox games that we can download would be cheaper. I'm pretty sure at launch, games will cost the same regardless if you buy retail or online. Why no price difference then? Add that to the fact that gamers can't sell their used games, plus other entertainment crap, and you have the shyt-box.

Personally, i don't give a fukk about gamestop or used game dealers, because they fukk you up big time when you resell your games. I have never sold my game to retailers. I :eat: through craigslist. I can't afford every game that comes out, well i can i just don't want to, and it takes at least 12 months before a price drop happens (this is in canada, in us i'm aware it's different). So i deal with craigslist and trade games all the time.

In fact i got Dead Space 3 for giving up GTA IV and some other game, and i recently traded for arkham city GOTY for RE6. If i had to go gamestop or bestbuy route, i would have had to pay for both of these games.
 

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MS is going to be stern and stick to their stance.

Once these console are in the wild and people actually start seeing how the restrictions work and how it isn't like it's always been it's going to be comedy. Casual gamers who aren't really following what's going on are in for a rude awakening.

I dont agree, the only people who in for a rude awakening is the parent who buys this $560 (console + game) system and they have no internet at home aka hood rich people lol.

Im all for realistic scenarios, we can think of the situations all you want too other a few exceptions, nobody is buying a internet connected consoles (Ps4 & X1) without having internet at home. and for the 1 percent who will you lose internet but not power for a extended time is very rare for broadband internet.
 
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