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They aren't. And they won't offer anywhere near the value Steam does. The whole post is more bullshyt spin.
A post a from XBox One "engineer"
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They aren't. And they won't offer anywhere near the value Steam does. The whole post is more bullshyt spin.
the people who cant afford to get both systems gone front like they just dont like Xbox
nikka u just poor
having the Xbox0ne and PS4>only having a PS4
nikka u just poor
having the Xbox0ne and PS4>only having a PS4
This was the point I was trying to make. @rapbeats please answer the bolded. You dropped a lot of numbers. I asked you how does this work if nobody but Microsoft goes digital. How do they convince publishers to sell their xbox-1 games for 39.99 while PS4 sells it for 59.99?
Right now Sony has all the power in the argument because a) they have the support of gamestop b) they have the consumer.
The publisher can bytch all they want. Xbox CANNOT lower the price to 39.99 until the publisher strong arms Sony and says, "We will not make the game for you unless you agree to DRM." What publisher would risk losing a market the size of the Sony Consumer?
Xbox is trying to force Sony's hand by forcing the publishers hand. It would work except they don't have the most important element backing them: the consumer.
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This is from: microsoft engineer on xb1 - Pastebin.com
" >The thing is we suck at telling the story. The whole point of the DRM switch from disc based to cloud based is to kill disc swapping, scratched discs, bringing discs to friends house, trade-ins for shyt value with nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam's model requires a limited used game model.
>The thing is, the DRM is really really similar to steam... You can login anywhere and play your games, anyone in your house can play with the family xbox. The only diff is steam you have to sign in before playing, and Xbox does it automatically at night for you (once per 24 hours)
>It's a long tail strategy, just like steam. Steam had it's growing pains at the beginning with all it's drm shyt as well. [...] For digital downloads steam had no real competition at the time, they were competing against boxed sales. At the time people were pretty irate about steam, (on ***** too...) It was only once they had a digital marketplace with DRM that was locked down to prevent sharing that they could do super discounted shyt.
>Think about it, on steam you get a game for the true cost of the game, 5$-30$. On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for when you sell / trade / borrow / etc. If the developer / publisher can't get it on additional licenses (like steam), then they charge the first person more. [...] If we say "Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$" that is a decent model... Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now? That's a revenue increase.
>Competition is the best man, it helps drive both to new heights. See technology from the Cold War. If we had no USSR, we'd be way worse off today. TLDR: Bring it on Steam
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>Yeah we passed that around the office at Xbox. Most of us were like "Well played Sony, Well played". That being said they are just riding the hype train of ZOMG THEY ARE TRYING TO fukk US FOR NO REASON. Without actually thinking about how convienent it would be for the majority of the time to not find that disc your brother didn't put back... [...] just simpleminded people not seeing the bigger picture. Some PS4 viral team made them all "U TOOK R DISCS" and they hiveminded.
>Everyone and their mother complains about how gamestop fukks them on their trade ins, getting 5$ for their used games. We come in trying to find a way to take money out of gamestop, and put some in developers and get you possibly cheaper games and everyone bytches at MS. Well, if you want the @#$@ing from Gamestop, go play PS4.
>The goal is to move to digital downloads, but Gamestop, Walmart, Target, Amazon are KIND OF fukkING ENTRENCHED in the industry. They have a lot of power, and the shift has to be gradual. Long term goal is steam for consoles. [...] If you always want to stay with what you have, then keep current consoles, or a PS4. We're TRYING to move the industry forwards towards digital distribution... it'sa bumpy road
>Publishers have enourmous power. Microsoft is trying to balance between consumer delight, and publisher wishes. If we cave to far in either direction you have a non-starting product. WiiU goes too far to consumer, you have no 3rd party support to shake a stick at. PS4 is status-quo. XB1 is trying to push some things, at the expense of others. We have a vision, we'll see if it works in the coming years
>Living room transformation. We want to own the living room. Every living room TV with an XBox on input one. It's the thing that gives the signal to your TV, everything is secondary. The future, where games, TV, internet telephony, all that shyt happens magically on some huge ass screen with hand / voice gestures... That's our goal.
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>Google TV + PS4 + Minority report level gestures, that combined with a sick second screen experience (which is really hot for TV, I know I know.. tv tv tv tv tv... but it's fukking sick when you have it). Games will be the same, there are more exclusives to MS then PS atm, and Kinect 2 makes Kinect 1 look like a childs toy.
>By default it's on, listening for "Xbox On". You can turn it off tho, and turn the console like OFF off. OFF off is required for Germany / other countries that require it (no vampire appliances) [...] It has to be plugged in for the console to post. You can turn off everything it does from the settings. Think of it like airplane mode for the iPhone. You can't just unplug the cellular radio, but you can turn it off.
>Instead of 10mins, is 24hrs for your console, and 1 or 2 at a friends house. Really the majority of people have a speck of internet at least once a day. And if you don't. Don't buy an Xbox 1. Just like if you didn't have a broadband connection don't get Live, and if you don't have an HDTV the 360 isn't that great for you either. New tech, new req. This allows us to do cool shyt when we can assume things like you have a kinect, you have internet, etc.
>Current plan is basically you're fukked after 24 hours. Yeah... I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to "call in" to ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something... but there is no plan YET. I'm hoping the change it, but I don't work on that so I don't have much influence there /sigh
>If the power goes out you ain't playing shyt. I'm assuming you mean the internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You're fukked for single player games. Again, that's the PoR (Plan of record), but I expect it to change after the e3 clusterfukk
>What fee? There is no fee to play your games at your friends house. Never has, never will. Even x360 digital downloads could do that.
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>The cloud capabilities is the shyt they like the most. We basically made a huge cloud compute shyt and made it free. What people are doing with it is kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do. Anything that doesn't need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms delays can be shifted to the cloud. That's huge.
>SmartGlass + IE is going to be pretty freaking sweet. 1 finger cursor, 2 finger direct manip. Basically if you think of a laptop trackpad where your phone/ slate is the trackpad and the monitor is your TV... it's that. The tech is there, just needs to be applied. There is some really cool shyt going on with Petra + controllers that pairs people with controllers. So if person with controller two trades controlers with controller 1, their profiles magically switch. It's sick. What does this matter? Now if you lean left/right it knows which person is leaning, even if 4 people are all int he same room. It's awesome.
>New service using Azure for cloud compute. Allows developers to not use clients for hosting multiplayer servers, or other tasks that do not require per frame calcuations. It's pretty sweet.
>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.
This was all from the Microsoft engineer that was on /b/ last night.
>It's not worth my time to prove it, or risk my Job. I work in Studio A, 40th ave in Redmond, Wa. The thai place in the studio cafeteria has double punch wednesdays. Go ahead and call them and verify if you want."
Of course take this with grain salt but it actually puts it into perspective. It doesn't mean you have to agree. As I said before change the check in to a weekly check in, and find a easier way to sell used games.
P.S. If you can't discuss this with being a fanboy please don't post. Leave the talking to man.
sounds good but yeah they fukked up with explaining it. you would think Microsoft could afford better PR people.
I do notice downloaded games are cheaper (after a while) then disc. I am about to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future.
it's not the publishers and much as the retailers IMO
with Digital Downloads the publishers gets pretty much all the loot. with retail and physical discs, a lot of the money has to go to manufacturing, distribution, and then the retail outlet itself
plus obviously the publishers like getting rid of used games
it's life or death out there for gamestop. they looking at that closed down blockbuster across the street like
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Back to what I was saying, I don't think they fukked up in explaining it. I think there was no way they could explain it without talking themselves into a corner. If they start laying out the benefits of the digital distribution age and start talking cheaper games and start mentioning $5-$30 bucks, they would be held to that.....and I mean held to the fire. Their system works best in an environment where everyone participates (kinda like Obamacare). So without Sony and Nintendo AND publishers playing along their system only half way works or as they put it, hopefully works at some point down the line. Meanwhile on Black Friday people aren't thinking about any of that sh!t. They aren't thinking about TV features or exclusives or what brilliance MS has in store for the future of gaming. They are gonna be at Best Buy like "Sooooo this one is how much and that one is how much? Ok I'll take this one....."
But they won't. It's a late chase at a strategy due to the backlash.
Spliff
Godzilla got busy.
My man said "If you don't like it, cop a PS4
" 
While everything he said was necessary, no way should it have been presented at a reveal or at E3 like this. With the way you clowns run with the littlest of stupid shyt, the internet would be flooded with corny memes and gifs with Sony riding that wave to sales.
But it really is as simple as he makes it seem. If you don't meet the reqs, if you care a lot about used games, if you have absolutely no interest in other forms of entertainment, GOODBYE. Who's to say two console need the same policies? If all this flops, MS will adapt. If it's successful, YOU will adapt.
All we have in here is a bunch of people who had little to no intentions on buying the next Microsoft machine. An ENGINEER just gave you the real on damn near everything and its met with
"man thats BS"
"useless information"
"not of that will happen"
"lies"
What the fukk are you talking about? How are hardcore gamers left to rot when gaming will only be IMPROVED? Some of what Azure servers provide has been WISHED for this entire generation by people who take gaming seriously. Not to mention DVR for gaming, uploads, and streaming. Hardcore gamers, of all people, will have internet damn near 24/7. Maybe you meant "hardcore cheap nikkas" or "hardcore cop and swappers," but hardcore GAMERS?
so hardcore gamers want a camera monitoring all their moves?
hardcore gamers want to talk to their xbox like its part of the family?
hardcore gamers want to watch tv with their xbox console.
reading comprehension..practice it.[/COLOR]
Spliff
Godzilla got busy.
so hardcore gamers want a camera monitoring all their moves?
hardcore gamers want to talk to their xbox like its part of the family?
hardcore gamers want to watch tv with their xbox console.
reading comprehension..practice it.[/COLOR]
"Not giving a fukk about hardcore gamers" implies their experience stays stagnant or somehow got worse, when in fact almost every facet of hardcore gaming will see an improvement. Just because there's additional features that are of no value to these gamers doesn't devalue the features that are.
now ask yourself this question. you are the consumer crying about drm, crying about always online.right? all because you want a burger king situation "your way".
if xbox says we're trying to drop the price of games $20 cheaper then we use to have it, and you realize thats $20 cheaper then sony. guess what yall crybaby consumers are going to do? cry to sony "drop the price or else we're jumping ship."
remember they dont make a ton of cash on the console sales. they make doe off of accesories. if you trade your console in for a box, no more accessory purchases for sony. guess what sony will do? get they drm on and go digital with the rest of the world.
remember HD vs BLU-RAY. everyone said
at HD disc. we all know what happened with that. BLU is now the standard.now the other factor is this. you do realize playstation dont want to mess with a middle man either right? not if they didnt HAVE TO. they only made their system the same as it was because they knew this is the only way they could win the console wars early. like someone said in another one of these threads. sony has taken series hits in their gaming dept for awhile now. they could no blow this. being runner up was not an option for them. they could not afford to do that. or so they thought.
the reality is, gamestop aint doing them favors except for giving consumers a place to go close to home to see their accesories and decide to purchase. but with how online shopping is becoming the norm now. believe me, just like blockbuster lost the good fight to netflix and gamefly. gamestop can lose the war to ALL DIGITAL games. and make game stop look in the mirror and ask, if we say we wont sell their consoles or accessories. we wont be able to survive either.
remember folks it happened with music. dont think it wont happen with games.
its already happening with movies.
ask me when was the last time i BOUGHT a DVD, BLU RAY?
i cant tell you its been that long. but i do know this. i've STREAMED movies over the net. i've streamed movies over my cable box(on demand), i've watched XBOX movies as well as other movies thru XBOX> something i SWORE i would never do. i use to think that all in one stuff was STUPID. but thats before i started going all digital my self. that was before i realized i dont want to keep buying a dvd player, then have to have a cable box connected then a console. then you have to switch the inputs. thats getting old too. thats why xbox is ramping up for a change. they want that box to be your cable box too. dont think for one moment it cant happen, it can. shoot that idea might push cable to let us have ALA carte channels like that new GOOGLE cable TV they got going i think in kansas or something.
i wont lie to yall, that xbox one is on some futuristic type stuff. they are TRYING to push the envelope and force change in more areas then one.
yall probably dont remember but i was all over that other site raving about PS3 before it hit, talking about the fact it had a blu-ray and the cost of a blu ray plus a xbox was more then the price of a ps3. that alone made it worth the purchase. even though i didnt get it. ya know why? cause i knew i wasnt buying/renting blu rays. i was already going digital at the time. and i watched a lot less movies at the house back then as well.
but even though i didnt scoop the ps3 i still told people that did watch movies and rent/buy movies like crazy to be smart and get that all in one solution called the ps3. yall didnt notice that they switched roles this year.
but its because MS had the cushion to do so. sony did not. on top of that MS has been pushing that ALL everything console real hard throughout the life of the 360. thats why they are further along then sony in that dept.
sony will catch up dont worry about that. you see xbox got that blu ray now right. well that took some catching up for MS, same will apply to sony.
just stop fighting the change. sure cry about stuff you dont like but admit the positives.
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Uh. no.. did you see xbox first conference? The only thing that came out of their mouth was TV. Don't make me post the youtube video.
Then you have the name. Xbox 1. "All in one entertainment console"
Then you have a quote from a M$ employee that specifies that if you want to play games, go buy PS4.
Shady_Kent
Why so serious?
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do you see all that dude said. thats a WHOLE lot of explaining. most people have the attention span of a flea. we all know it.
like yall say when you see a post more then 3 sentences "DID NOT READ"
look at it like this. MS is the democrats trying to explain to you that these republicans are insane and lying. yet there's a lot of people believing the republican nonsense even though the fact checkers called them flat out lies 99.9% of the time. how can that be the case? because the dems have so much to explain and its a bit complicated, PR team or not. you explain to much you lose the slow people and the DID NOT READ people. same rule applies here.
yall will just have to see how it goes. i say this. if you can find $500 and change. get that box. test it out. give it a spin. if you aint with it. SLANG IT. and get that ps4. assuming you cant afford both consoles.
i think everyone needs that box in their lives. thats the new new right there. try it out first.