A QUESTION FOR THE OLD HEADS.....DID ILLMATIC REALLY HAVE AS MUCH OF AN IMPACT AS PEOPLE SAY.....

[mobbinfms]

Snoop had a certain appeal because he was out there basically singing. almost every popular Snoop song has a hook drunk frat boys can sing along with

that boom bap hip-hop sound was just too harsh for some people. had to give it some smooth rolling bass and a dude singing on it to sell it to the masses. and don't forget to represent ultra-violent and hypersexualized steroetypes, cause no one wants to hear that off-the-wall back to Africa shyt...

That god body shyt?

 

[MR. Conclusion]

No, you think ny had 55% of rappers because of the bias. Nobody gave a fukk about no ny nikkaz outside of a select few.

In 93 Rap was NY/eastcoast and westcoast with the south on the come up. Yeah there was rap acts everywhere, but those were the areas that were hitting. Also pay attention to the "Don't get caught up in the numbers" part of my post.

Ironic you talk about bias. You remind me of that Brad Piff dude. So tell us, what is it about Nas that has you so obsessed with trying to convince everybody and their mother that he is not as great as he is made out to be? Now is your time to open up and let go of the pain.

 

[daze23]

lol at these statistics. are we counting Trinity Garden Cartel and Big Mello? NY was still dominant in 94

 

[intilectual recipricol]

In 93 Rap was NY/eastcoast and westcoast with the south on the come up. Yeah there was rap acts everywhere, but those were the areas that were hitting. Also pay attention to the "Don't get caught up in the numbers" part of my post.

Ironic you talk about bias. You remind me of that Brad Piff dude. So tell us, what is it about Nas that has you so obsessed with trying to convince everybody and their mother that he is not as great as he is made out to be? Now is your time to open up and let go of the pain.

Well what is it? We got a thread full of nikkaz coppin pleas sayin NY wasnt selling aka no one gave a fukk about ny. Or was it that all the relavent rappers were from ny... It cant be both. Yall nikkaz hop on whatever you can to avoid the inconvenient truths...

 

[MR. Conclusion]

Well what is it? We got a thread full of nikkaz coppin pleas sayin NY wasnt selling aka no one gave a fukk about ny. Or was it that all the relavent rappers were from ny... It cant be both. Yall nikkaz hop on whatever you can to avoid the inconvenient truths...

What part of "In 93 Rap was NY/eastcoast and westcoast with the south on the come up." equals all relevant rappers?

 

[MR. Conclusion]

Well what is it? We got a thread full of nikkaz coppin pleas sayin NY wasnt selling aka no one gave a fukk about ny. Or was it that all the relavent rappers were from ny... It cant be both. Yall nikkaz hop on whatever you can to avoid the inconvenient truths...

Also what is it about Nas that has you so obsessed? This is fascinating.

 

[Danny Up]

When he dropped, he affected NY MCs. They all knew the bar was risen and they had to step they game up. If it affects 55% of the rap game, then yeah Illmatic had a significant impact.

Who stepped their game up? Biggie made New York relevant on a broader scope. His "hits" were "bubble gum" as it gets. Nas in '96 dropped "It Was Written", which "purist" hated. Then it was bad boy era. Then the DMX, Ja Rule era, then 50 Cent. None of them nikkas talk about shyt.

 

[Still Benefited]

Look at it like this. At that time NY repped something like what 55% of the rappers? Then you had maybe 40% from west coast? and another 15% percent elsewhere. Don't get caught up in the numbers, just understand my point that the majority of rappers were NY based.

When he dropped, he affected NY MCs. They all knew the bar was risen and they had to step they game up. If it affects 55% of the rap game, then yeah Illmatic had a significant impact.

In that case Ghetto Fabolous had a significant impact since when Fab popped it inspired a few miserable years in hindsight where many of NY's rappers became more obsessed with punchlines then making good music,and there was a demographic of nikkas who ate that shyt up and couldn't get enuff of it accross the nation....is that all it takes?it was a new nikka with a target put on his back by they peers every other year in NY and actually just about all they albums actually DID have a impact nationwide...even with the rating and the hype Nas managed to be mostly local....if u won't say Ghetto Fabolous had a significant impact shut that shyt down.

It aged favorably because Nas became who he became which is a legend in rap nationally...same way as Reasonable Doubt...its no difference other than people were told what to think immediatley for illmatic/got permission to think its classic, and for the other they got permission years later since apparently nikkas was sleeping back then...cuz everybody act like they always knew RD was a classic now....Source mag really did a number on some of y'all,it really was the bible

 

[George's Dilemma]

Haven't gone through this whole thread, but I'd say in response to the thread question, naw. It recieved praise back then, but I think the praise it recieved later was a of a higher magnitude. In hindsight, I'd say It Was Written had a larger impact on the game than Illmatic.

 

[lutha]

Actually, exactly half of the albums were from other regions.
I'll grant you that people tend to act from self interest, but its ridiculous to completely rule out impact and influence in terms of other artists naming projects after Illmatic. Is there another album that has been name checked/remade as much? I'm sure there is, but I can't think of it now.

So now people were hailing Illmatic as a timeless masterpiece? Must have had quite an impact?

It is. No one is arguing it had a huge commercial/mainstream splash. But it did have a huge impact on the culture. The response from other artists is evidence of that.

i'm telling you, when released, the album didnt have an impact/influence like the legend of illmatic will have you believe...and no, impact doesnt equal timeless/classic music...classic is just that, classic...that doesnt mean it influenced/impacted a whole genre...but it's whatever, i'm done...we just talking in circles now...it's been cool though..

*dap*

 

[lutha]

Well what is it? We got a thread full of nikkaz coppin pleas sayin NY wasnt selling aka no one gave a fukk about ny. Or was it that all the relavent rappers were from ny... It cant be both. Yall nikkaz hop on whatever you can to avoid the inconvenient truths...

they are avoiding the truth that the legend of illmatic isnt true...like someone said, iww had more of an impact then illmatic...and so called 'hip hop heads' hated that album...that's funny though, cause that'll bring up a truth they really wanna avoid...which is: which album is better? lol....but i'm done...

 

[RedBull]

Nas changed the game with that album... Real lyricist knew they had to up they pen game in order to catch up to nas...

I can only think of two emcees who made lyrics in the rap game evolve

Rakim n Nas

Nah, gotta disagree brother.

1. Grand Master Caz - started braggadocio rhyming as we know it today
2. Kool Moe Dee- 1st "cerebral" rapper
3.KRS- mixed "cerebral" rap with gangster rap
4.Ra- no need to explain, birthed Nas
5. Kane- took GMC blueprint and ran with it, which birthed Jay
6. Chuck D- made dudes write about socially conscious issues

All of these dude changed the game when they came out, they made other rappers look like "I gotta step my game up".

 

[intilectual recipricol]

In that case Ghetto Fabolous had a significant impact since when Fab popped it inspired a few miserable years in hindsight where many of NY's rappers became more obsessed with punchlines then making good music,and there was a demographic of nikkas who ate that shyt up and couldn't get enuff of it accross the nation....is that all it takes?it was a new nikka with a target put on his back by they peers every other year in NY and actually just about all they albums actually DID have a impact nationwide...even with the rating and the hype Nas managed to be mostly local....if u won't say Ghetto Fabolous had a significant impact shut that shyt down.

It aged favorably because Nas became who he became which is a legend in rap nationally...same way as Reasonable Doubt...its no difference other than people were told what to think immediatley for illmatic/got permission to think its classic, and for the other they got permission years later since apparently nikkas was sleeping back then...cuz everybody act like they always knew RD was a classic now....Source mag really did a number on some of y'all,it really was the bible

Preach... NotSoft always droppin that gospel

 

[mobbinfms]

i'm telling you, when released, the album didnt have an impact/influence like the legend of illmatic will have you believe...and no, impact doesnt equal timeless/classic music...classic is just that, classic...that doesnt mean it influenced/impacted a whole genre...but it's whatever, i'm done...we just talking in circles now...it's been cool though..

*dap*

It seems like the only grounds you have left in defense of your argument are sales. And the sales argument has already been debunked by Art Barr who epitomizes the "old head" that you claimed to be seeki g knowledge from. You didn't respond to any of my points.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

It seems like the only grounds you have left in defense of your argument are sales. And the sales argument has already been debunked by Art Barr who epitomizes the "old head" that you claimed to be seeki g knowledge from. You didn't respond to any of my points.

you gotta be the worst troll on the boards b. you dont listen to a word nikkaz tell you no matter how much proof and reason go into it... congrats on ya troll skills b