A quote from Kurt Cobain I found interesting...

[Wacky D]

Come on breh. Music sales went in the shytter after the downloading epidemic. Once that shyt became the norm there was no going back.

We didn't wanna pay for the music so the industry collapsed on itself. Of course the quality of the music took a dive. You get what you pay for.

sales were going down before it became an epidemic cannon.

record buyers were very much disenchanted. mainstream music had already started going to chit thanks to all the buyouts & monopolies. it was the beginning of over-the-top commercial tracks, and everybody sounding the same. i remember in 2001, darn near every release was dissappointing.

truth be told, alot of record buyers didnt actually have to buy the music to begin with. long before the existence of downloading. and even when downloading blew up, chit was still selling. people blaming everything on downloading is just some lazy chit, as well as a way for the industry to save face for their incompetence.

 

[criminology]

groups like, the offspring, primus, bush, the cranberries, and counting crows all made better songs than nirvana

I agreed with you until you gave examples... offspring? Pixies, Sonic Youth, My Bloody Valentine were all definitely were making better, more interesting music in that genre than nirvana ever did. But offspring... the cranberries? Counting Crows? I dont even really like nirvana but you must be

 

[OG Talk]

groups like, the offspring, primus, bush, the cranberries, and counting crows all made better songs than nirvana

I like most of those groups but Nirvana made great songs...

Wait.. Did you say Counting Crows though?

 

[Piff Perkins]

In Utero>Nevermind

Kurt was a Public Enemy stan btw

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Nirvana was trash. I remember seeing a video where one of the dudes from Oasis ethered the whole grunge movement ''these bands are all in 'pain'...well my ears are in pain from hearing your whining, wash your hair you dirty fukkers''

Oasis were Nirvana stans though.

ive been going back through nirvanas catalogue. i think their best songs are really incredible, but for me they had only 5 great songs. teen spirit, lithium, in bloom, come as u are, heart shaped box, rest of the catalogue is pretty unlistenable to my ears. after listening to in utero i had to play warning just to get my blood circulating again. but nirvana gets props on those 5 joints. truly amazing songs. and i repsected cobains sincerity and humanity.

oasis only have one joint seeing nirvana, live forever.

So pretty much their most commercial songs...


I like that Kurt just made good fukking songs...some had lyrics that meant jack shyt,others had clever lyrics.

 

[BlackAchilles]

i know a lot of my coli brethen don't really fukk wit cac rock music so for the uninitiated lemme just give you a brief context.

nirvana basically kicked down the fukkin door with their 91 album "nevermind" and changed the face of rock music. it was grungy and moody but it also had amazing songwriting. dark, heavy and melodic all at the same time. one of the most (maybe even THEE most) legendary rock record of the 90's

their followup in 93 "in utero" was a different beast though. they tried to aim for something a lil different. you know they just didn't wanna make the same album again. so they wanted something more visceral, something riskier. needless to say the album was a huge smash hit but it failed to sell the same amount of copies as nevermind did. (to this day in utero has sold 15 million copies while nevermind has sold 30 million)

but what struck me as interesting was this comment from kurt prior to it's release which i saw on wiki.

Despite the label's promotion, the band was convinced that In Utero would not be as successful as Nevermind. Cobain told Jim DeRogatis, "We're certain that we won't sell a quarter as much, and we're totally comfortable with that because we like this record so much.


^^ i dunno i just really respect the shyt outta him for saying that. you rarely ever hear someone in hip hop come out and say somethin like that. i think back to when 50 was about to drop the massacre and in an interview with sway he basically said if the massacre didn't outsell GRODT for whatever reason than he would look at it as a FAILURE.

even on the coli it feels like 1 out of every 5 posts is about record sales.

always the fukkin record sales.

record sales.

record sales.

oh the album didn't go gold? flop. oh it didn't chart on itunes? flop. shyt is garbage. homeboy fell off.

god knows what would happen if kendrick's next album sold half as much as GKMC did. i imagine at least half the board would be ready to give him the flat top.

i dunno, just an observation. just thought like venting and sharing. feel free to voice your own 2 cents.

And it keeps going today; rock bands stay releasing free shyt cause they realize the paradigm's shifted nowadays: everyone steals music anyway, so recorded tracks are really just promotional material to get people to your shows.

Also had he not died I'm pretty sure he'd still be making music instead of stopping to be an actor/push some clothing line/be on some bullshyt reality show

 

[Nomad1]

who cares? the cac offed himself. And rock is

 

[Kitsune]

for real i cannot even lie. you gotta respect kanye for that album.

i only fukk wit about half the tracks from it (the other half is trash to me) but it speaks to his integrity as an artist. whatever kanye is doing at any given point in time, you could usually bet that NO ONE else is doing it. which is why he's still able to hold everyone's attention. he's always tryna be one step ahead of everyone else.

let's just hope he doesn't he doesn't veer too far off (a damn cliff).

this is where we disagree, the way I see it Yeezus is pretty much his debut. All his other albums was just him getting his feet wet and MBDTF just happened to conclude that era on a high note. So hopefully, from Yeezus on out, hell play by his rules and begin to branch out to into deeper experimentation.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

U lost me at amazing song writing.....
Isn't Cobain quoted as saying the lyrics were gibberish

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

this is where we disagree, the way I see it Yeezus is pretty much his debut. All his other albums was just him getting his feet wet and MBDTF just happened to conclude that era on a high note. So hopefully, from Yeezus on out, hell play by his rules and begin to branch out to into deeper experimentation.

How can it be his debut when he has never been more hands off on any project as much as yeezus? Songs written and composed and produced by others... Kanye was like a performer only on that record and in rap it just doesn't work to rap someone else's words I mean its like having a conversation and just being a mouth piece.

 

[Hannibal Fox]

well they all do it for the money.

but perhaps some are musicians first, businessmen second... while others are businessmen first, musicians second.

not sure how i would classify someone like 50. because through it all i truly do sense that he loves to make music.

From the way some artists have spoken about fukked up deals to, being owed "x" I'd have to agree.

 

[SpacelySprockets]

Show me a nikka saying they only make music for the love of it and dont care about the money and i'll show u a goddamn liar

If all they wanted to make music for was to vent then why the fukk did they sign a contract, they coulda kept it to theirselves and worked a 9-5

 

[Long Live The Kane]

that comment is about as "interesting" as a pro athlete saying "Both teams played hard... I just wanted to go out there , give 110%, leave it all on the court, play the game the right way and trust my teammates" ...or an singer thanking god after winning an award...that's typical cliche by the books "i'm an artist with integrity and not a sellout" fodder

 

[FaTaL]

i know a lot of my coli brethen don't really fukk wit cac rock music so for the uninitiated lemme just give you a brief context.

nirvana basically kicked down the fukkin door with their 91 album "nevermind" and changed the face of rock music. it was grungy and moody but it also had amazing songwriting. dark, heavy and melodic all at the same time. one of the most (maybe even THEE most) legendary rock record of the 90's

their followup in 93 "in utero" was a different beast though. they tried to aim for something a lil different. you know they just didn't wanna make the same album again. so they wanted something more visceral, something riskier. needless to say the album was a huge smash hit but it failed to sell the same amount of copies as nevermind did. (to this day in utero has sold 15 million copies while nevermind has sold 30 million)

but what struck me as interesting was this comment from kurt prior to it's release which i saw on wiki.

Despite the label's promotion, the band was convinced that In Utero would not be as successful as Nevermind. Cobain told Jim DeRogatis, "We're certain that we won't sell a quarter as much, and we're totally comfortable with that because we like this record so much.


^^ i dunno i just really respect the shyt outta him for saying that. you rarely ever hear someone in hip hop come out and say somethin like that. i think back to when 50 was about to drop the massacre and in an interview with sway he basically said if the massacre didn't outsell GRODT for whatever reason than he would look at it as a FAILURE.

even on the coli it feels like 1 out of every 5 posts is about record sales.

always the fukkin record sales.

record sales.

record sales.

oh the album didn't go gold? flop. oh it didn't chart on itunes? flop. shyt is garbage. homeboy fell off.

god knows what would happen if kendrick's next album sold half as much as GKMC did. i imagine at least half the board would be ready to give him the flat top.

i dunno, just an observation. just thought like venting and sharing. feel free to voice your own 2 cents.

nevermind was epic, there as no way any album after that was gonna beat that. it was gonna be downhill no matter what, that album rocked the planet

 

[call_me_step_daddy]

this shyt aint hiphop & fukk that soft ass emo faggit cobain and his sissified music

This thread belongs in the ladies room