Play all the semantics you want, at the end of the day you're a self hating black man and you're the one who needs therapy and deprogramming.
A Serious Discussion on the Homicide Rate in the Black Community
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Play all the semantics you want, at the end of the day you're a self hating black man and you're the one who needs therapy and deprogramming.
So what's the motive for most of these homicides?
Are they doing it for money because they're broke? People putting out hits? Gang shyt? Clout? Listening to too much rap? Mudering over females? IMO the only way to solve the issue is to find out what's motivating people to kill each other.
I've never killed anybody myself so I can only guess
Your are looking for the easy answer to this stuff, but it much more complicated then you and I both know. My feeling on the subject of the violence is that there has been a break down in the basic structure of family. How many of these kids (the murderers and their victims) have been neglected by their own mothers and abandoned by their own fathers; or vice versa. We don't know the underlying reasons for the neglect and abandonment, but there is a humongous societal impact, because neglected and abandoned children have a deep hurt and they search for stuff to make them feel whole. Unfortunately for us as a society the thugs and gangs with their bullshyt usually acts to fill voids.
Personally I think that is a vicious cycle and it will not end until the mothers and fathers stop neglecting and abandoning their children. Their are parenting courses out there to help people to become better parents, but I guess some people are too cool for school but the real victims are the children because eventually they lash out.
Guru
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Black people shouldn't have to do anything. It starts at the top (local, state and federal). A lot of Black people doing good work in the community and it shouldn't have to be forgotten because of racist laws still in place alongside racist politicians/officials that make that work difficult
He's just trolling.
So let me tell you about how Cincinnati salt shaked me. So I have a couple of friends who are well to do one of which is a producer who moved to Atlanta and another is a former boxer and we donated to this neighborhood boys and girls club to improve the playground and court and gym facilities as well as have people work for more overnight programs and weekend food meals. So we got the donations and everything for it.
the city ended up shutting down the school and the apartment complexes where the majority of the people we were trying to help lived. And gentrified it. Now of course they upgraded the facilities but guess the people we were trying to help have been displaced all over the city and into the suburbs and you can guess who took over the neighborhood.
That was the point I decided it’s better to just identify the youth you want to help as opposed to the neighborhood. Since the neighborhood clearly can change. And no I’m not vested in helping the new neighborhood white kids.
the city ended up shutting down the school and the apartment complexes where the majority of the people we were trying to help lived. And gentrified it. Now of course they upgraded the facilities but guess the people we were trying to help have been displaced all over the city and into the suburbs and you can guess who took over the neighborhood.
That was the point I decided it’s better to just identify the youth you want to help as opposed to the neighborhood. Since the neighborhood clearly can change. And no I’m not vested in helping the new neighborhood white kids.
While this isn't necessarily a bad argument you're laying out, it's growing to be less compelling to people that are on the receiving end of the violence these people are meting out.
People want solutions to the crime that will happen tonight.
The people committing these crimes will not change before nightfall.
Frangala
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From these responses, you would think that people really have a vested interest in this continuous destructive cycle. This is the coli playbook when you make an argument that a culture of accountability (or lack thereof) has a significant effect on this phenomenon:
(1) Instantly called a c00n because you don't attribute ALL of the ills to systemic racism (white supremacy)
(2) You are a foreigner or children of Black immigrants hence the topic is out of depth (mind you in urban cities like NYC DC Houston Miami. Caribbean and African kids are getting involved in this type of anti-social and destructive behavior. Look at some of places in Brooklyn where in some of these neighborhoods the overwhelming majority of Black ppl are of Caribbean origin probably have been in the United States 3 generations top). So even when you make the culture/accountability argument, it involves also "foreign Blacks" but people's visceral tribal response is to try to make this a Black American vs. non Black American thing and because your ancestors did not experience chattel slavery, you should not even have a say in this.
Lastly, the things that individuals are advocating for such as a good stable home, higher value placed on education etc... essentially benefits and adds value to the communities you reside in. It strengthens the human capital. People love to make the arguments that somehow attaining those things would not lessen the perception that white people will still regard you as less than. My thing is when people do these things they do not have in the back of their "I wonder whether white ppl are going to think I am one of the good ones?" . The overwhelming majority of Black people who go about their day and trying to live their lives right do it because it adds value to themselves, their families and the communities they reside in, and they are not trying to gain favor of whites. If whites point to them as one of the "good ones", that is an unintended consequence. They are not engaging in this type of behavior in the onset to be one of the "good ones."
That argument has always been ridiculous to me.
The overwhelming amount of individuals who live in the same poverty stricken environment as those who terrorize them somehow refrain from engaging in the same activities. Why? if they were all dealt with the same cards, why is the overwhelming majority refraining from these types of activities?
(1) Instantly called a c00n because you don't attribute ALL of the ills to systemic racism (white supremacy)
(2) You are a foreigner or children of Black immigrants hence the topic is out of depth (mind you in urban cities like NYC DC Houston Miami. Caribbean and African kids are getting involved in this type of anti-social and destructive behavior. Look at some of places in Brooklyn where in some of these neighborhoods the overwhelming majority of Black ppl are of Caribbean origin probably have been in the United States 3 generations top). So even when you make the culture/accountability argument, it involves also "foreign Blacks" but people's visceral tribal response is to try to make this a Black American vs. non Black American thing and because your ancestors did not experience chattel slavery, you should not even have a say in this.
Lastly, the things that individuals are advocating for such as a good stable home, higher value placed on education etc... essentially benefits and adds value to the communities you reside in. It strengthens the human capital. People love to make the arguments that somehow attaining those things would not lessen the perception that white people will still regard you as less than. My thing is when people do these things they do not have in the back of their "I wonder whether white ppl are going to think I am one of the good ones?" . The overwhelming majority of Black people who go about their day and trying to live their lives right do it because it adds value to themselves, their families and the communities they reside in, and they are not trying to gain favor of whites. If whites point to them as one of the "good ones", that is an unintended consequence. They are not engaging in this type of behavior in the onset to be one of the "good ones."
That argument has always been ridiculous to me.
The overwhelming amount of individuals who live in the same poverty stricken environment as those who terrorize them somehow refrain from engaging in the same activities. Why? if they were all dealt with the same cards, why is the overwhelming majority refraining from these types of activities?
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I don't think that food is the underlying issue, but I don't have the answer on that. I just think that we have a lot of neglected and abandoned children in the Black community. Once we address the issue of neglect and abandonment of Black children then violence will ramp down. But what do I know? I am but a simple man and I am even on the bottom of the untalented 90th.
THE MACHINE
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No matter what the reason is for us being where we are - my personal feeling is institutionalized racism - nobody is going to help us out. There is no federal government hand thats going to fix this. There is no magic wand that will reset the community. We have to do it. Black men. Black women. There is no getting around it anymore. There is no looking for Dems or Repubs to fix it. We go over this every election cycle. There are covid bullets flying through the communities and we the black parents are the vaccine. We, the people that really care about the community, need to run for local elections. We, the people that care about black lives, need to help raise these children. We, the black people that are financially stable, need to adopt black kids from bad situations. We can educate on how we got here all we want, but the system will continue to work exactly how it was intended if we dont interrupt it. Its too convenient to throw up our arms and say "white this..." "racism that..." "no jobs this...." "poverty that....". And while all that does play a part, we all have access to online support, online education (doesnt have to be formal). How much time are street dudes spending on-line? Tons right? And what percentage of that is trying to find legal means to get out of their situation. All of these communities are handing out landscaping contracts, pest control contracts, 10.4 million unfilled jobs across the country so why do you feel like you have to stay on your block your whole life? Start a barber shop. Apply at the 23572988209345 shops in the hood that have a "help wanted" sign. Military should be an option for some that have clean records. Sick of crooked cops, join the force and change it.
Sad as it is to say, the truth is a small percentage of black people are responsible for locking down whole communities, they need to be left behind. We have to increase snitching in our communities. Thats the only deterrent for them - facing cops and judges - because our love for them wasnt enough. There is no defense for their actions. I have sympathy for first and some second time offenders for small crimes, but hardened criminals are out here complaining about unfair sentencing but its not stopping them from selling poison to your son or daughter. Thugs know gun charges are unfair for black people but they'll keep invading the homes of your mom and pop stealing what your folks worked their whole life for, beating and emasculating elderly black men, shooting men, women and children. No more free passes to terrorize. There are savages in our community that need to be in jail for life-straight up. They have no interest in making life better for our elders or our kids. They cannot be saved. Fukk 'em. Lets save the kids and the folks teetering on going the wrong route.
Sad as it is to say, the truth is a small percentage of black people are responsible for locking down whole communities, they need to be left behind. We have to increase snitching in our communities. Thats the only deterrent for them - facing cops and judges - because our love for them wasnt enough. There is no defense for their actions. I have sympathy for first and some second time offenders for small crimes, but hardened criminals are out here complaining about unfair sentencing but its not stopping them from selling poison to your son or daughter. Thugs know gun charges are unfair for black people but they'll keep invading the homes of your mom and pop stealing what your folks worked their whole life for, beating and emasculating elderly black men, shooting men, women and children. No more free passes to terrorize. There are savages in our community that need to be in jail for life-straight up. They have no interest in making life better for our elders or our kids. They cannot be saved. Fukk 'em. Lets save the kids and the folks teetering on going the wrong route.
I love myself and Black people which is why although I am compassionate towards Black people I am also not infantilizing them in the ways you do. If you want to love Black people, you need to be able to make objective assessments instead of what you do which is wear blinders because you're more concerned with the optics of the group. This thinking makes you more of a liability to the community than a help.
There are millions of people who were shaped by the same environment for generations that don’t share the same thinking. Why? Deval Patrick was raised in the Robert Taylors.
The police just want more funding then they will go back to manipulating the crime statistics to make it seem like crime and homicide is down.
Unfortunately a lot of people have shytty parents, but that by itself isn't a motive for killing someone. The vast majority of people in that situation don't commit homicide.
I'm not trying to say that doesn't matter, but I'm wanting to know what the actual, direct motives usually are for killing people. Is it usually just gang bullshyt? I'm legitimately curious.
Men have to raise their kids instead of ducking out on them.
20 and 30 year old criminals will target high school girls to have sex with. Start encouraging birth control and plan B in schools to girls. If you cant raise a kid then dont have one.
20 and 30 year old criminals will target high school girls to have sex with. Start encouraging birth control and plan B in schools to girls. If you cant raise a kid then dont have one.
You cant use exceptional people and outliers as examples. That's the same thing white supremacists do when they say there is no racism because there are black billionaires.
The average human will choose the shortcut and easy option of street money in the short term instead of making sacrifices for the long term placed in that type of environment. Has nothing to do with race or culture.