Aaliyah = Cieara

[Maddmike]

But she did have those things and her discography is greater than Ciara's. These what ifs and hypothetical scenarios of if you took away this, added that, divided this by 2, and carried the 1 logic is ridiculous. Bottom line Aailyah's disco> Ciara and it aint even close.
Aaliyah songwriters> Ciara's,
Aaliyah's producers> Ciara's
Aaliyah movies> Ciara's

Aaliyah as a complete product >>Ciara
No matter how you try to slice it they are not equal on any level.

First off lets get this out of the way:

Aaliyah was not that good of an actor. Come on man

and You right about the song writers....thats exactly what im saying.
and timb at that time was untouchable. But instead you got nikkas in this thread insinuating that she brought timbo to the forefront

Give Ciara those things and she would be able to pull it off too...



theres a reason why i say her vocal range was limited too....Do me a favor and peep this vid:


Now when shes in her range i agree, she has a very nice voice, but you can hear the struggle in her voice when she travels beyond. When she finishes a note she can barley keep it.



I dont know man. I just don't understand why shes praised as the princess of R&B when, Monica and Brandy at the time could run laps around her singing.

 

[Maddmike]

I could spit in your face right now.

but you would swallow that shyt if you knew me god....real talk

 

[Still Benefited]

I couldn't imagine anybody but Aaliyah singing on her songs...Aaliyahs image and relatability added to her greatness and has to factor into her appeal....She was seen as the girl next door to nikkas nationwide after watching her blossom from tomboy to a bad chick......and to females she had that relateability and was like they homegirl....at least compare her to Rhianna if you must compare....it aint easy getting the love aaliyah got....Ciara is more Mya

 

[Maddmike]

I couldn't imagine anybody but Aaliyah singing on her songs...Aaliyahs image and relatability added to her greatness and has to factor into her appeal....She was seen as the girl next door to nikkas nationwide after watching her blossom from tomboy to a bad chick......and to females she had that relateability and was like they homegirl....at least compare her to Rhianna if you must compare....it aint easy getting the love aaliyah got

Why would i compare her to Rhianna??? she a pop singer brah.....That would be really disrespectful....
I dont think you understand the amount effects they put on her voice.....lol watch a live Rhianna performance and youll see what i mean.

See everybody talking about her image this and that but noone is talking about her raw talent cuz it wasnt that extraordinary. Image can be created cuzo. Politicians do it all the time.

 

[JustCKing]

First off lets get this out of the way:

Aaliyah was not that good of an actor. Come on man

and You right about the song writers....thats exactly what im saying.
and timb at that time was untouchable. But instead you got nikkas in this thread insinuating that she brought timbo to the forefront

Give Ciara those things and she would be able to pull it off too...



theres a reason why i say her vocal range was limited too....Do me a favor and peep this vid:


Now when shes in her range i agree, she has a very nice voice, but you can hear the struggle in her voice when she travels beyond. When she finishes a note she can barley keep it.



I dont know man. I just don't understand why shes praised as the princess of R&B when, Monica and Brandy at the time could run laps around her singing.

It's not an insinuation. Before his work with Aaliyah, he was relatively unknown. After his work with Aaliyah, the industry was like . That led to Timbaland becoming one of the "it" producers in Urban music.

Aaliyah is praised because she stood out.Being a great singer alone never made anyone a star. You could take the greatest vocalist and put them with a mediocre team of writers and producers, and end up with garbage. On the other hand you could put a decent or even a mediocre vocalist with a great to incredible team of writers and producers and end up with gold. I'm not saying that Monica and Brandy were garbage (they have classics), but Aaliyah stood out from them. They had bigger hits and sold more, but their albums (even their prime albums) aren't as discussed. It's rare to even see their albums mentioned or compared. With Aaliyah, she had artists sampling her music and even talking about the impact of it way before she died.

 

[Lost His Smile]

fukk this thread with an AIDS needle. I Hope you get IBS. Audited by the IRS. And your router/momdem breaks.

I will admit though, that Jersey Club Remix of Body Parts is the best club song Ive heard all year.

 

[JustCKing]

People like to throw around the term "movement", but what happened with One In A Million was a REAL movement. That album was a domino effect that really made waves in Urban music. As a result of that album, Tim went on to produce Ginuwine's debut (which was originally had only one Timbo track in "Pony" with the rest produced by Darryl Pearson also from Da Bassment crew). That album further showcased Tim's innovative sound. Next up was Missy's debut which introduced that sound to Hip Hop. Then came Tim & Magoo's album. Between '97-'99, numerous R&B and Hip Hop artist had a Timbo track or one that sounded like something he produced. Missy was also penning songs for artists. Static was also penning songs.

 

[Maddmike]

It's not an insinuation. Before his work with Aaliyah, he was relatively unknown. After his work with Aaliyah, the industry was like . That led to Timbaland becoming one of the "it" producers in Urban music.

Aaliyah is praised because she stood out.Being a great singer alone never made anyone a star. You could take the greatest vocalist and put them with a mediocre team of writers and producers, and end up with garbage. On the other hand you could put a decent or even a mediocre vocalist with a great to incredible team of writers and producers and end up with gold. I'm not saying that Monica and Brandy were garbage (they have classics), but Aaliyah stood out from them. They had bigger hits and sold more, but their albums (even their prime albums) aren't as discussed. It's rare to even see their albums mentioned or compared. With Aaliyah, she had artists sampling her music and even talking about the impact of it way before she died.

Who you think had a hand in writing those songs my nig? Point being is that timmy brought her to the forefront.

You trying to tell me without aaliyah, genuine (I can't spell it) and Missy and countless other wouldn't have had the "Timbo sound"? You basically saying what I said...sure she was first but timmy would still be timmy without her.

Also of course people gone sample her now. She died...that's what people do. The people she was around/associated with have a great impact on hip hop today. That was their home girl in real life so of course they gone make sure she's remembered.

I'm not saying Ciara discography is on the same level as hers. What I'm saying is without the writers and producers, and if she didn't die she would be just another singer

 

[Maddmike]

People like to throw around the term "movement", but what happened with One In A Million was a REAL movement. That album was a domino effect that really made waves in Urban music. As a result of that album, Tim went on to produce Ginuwine's debut (which was originally had only one Timbo track in "Pony" with the rest produced by Darryl Pearson also from Da Bassment crew). That album further showcased Tim's innovative sound. Next up was Missy's debut which introduced that sound to Hip Hop. Then came Tim & Magoo's album. Between '97-'99, numerous R&B and Hip Hop artist had a Timbo track or one that sounded like something he produced. Missy was also penning songs for artists. Static was also penning songs.

Pony would have had the same impact if there was no aaliyah and Missy would have went on to create that classic. Missy is a GREAT songwriter first and still is. (Just like you said...I'm on my phone so I'm reading your post and typing as I go) She can hold her own.

Ok....

Everybody Answer this for me...would aaliyah be "princess aaliyah" with out timbo?

With that answer this....would timbo be timbo without aaliyah?

 

[JustCKing]

Who you think had a hand in writing those songs my nig? Point being is that timmy brought her to the forefront.

You trying to tell me without aaliyah, genuine (I can't spell it) and Missy and countless other wouldn't have had the "Timbo sound"? You basically saying what I said...sure she was first but timmy would still be timmy without her.

Also of course people gone sample her now. She died...that's what people do. The people she was around/associated with have a great impact on hip hop today. That was their home girl in real life so of course they gone make sure she's remembered.

I'm not saying Ciara discography is on the same level as hers. What I'm saying is without the writers and producers, and if she didn't die she would be just another singer

Aaliyah was already known when Timbaland started working with her. One In A Million was Timbaland and Missy's big break. It's not a question of whether other artists would have had the Timbaland sound. It's a question of whether it would've had the same impact. "One In A Million" (the song) was the impact song even though "If Your Girl Only Knew" was a bigger hit on the charts. "If Your Girl Only Knew" is also produced by Timbaland, but it's hardly referenced as the song that changed R&B.

People sampled Aaliyah was she was alive:





"And I added that Aaliyah sample. I loved ‘One in a Million.’ I loved the video, the way she was moving her body, and I was really into the way she looked in that video, and the song was dope, Timbaland was a new guy to us, and he was just so ahead with this new sound"------ DJ Premier

http://www.complex.com/music/2011/0...d-classic-records/a-million-and-one-questions

 

[JustCKing]

Pony would have had the same impact if there was no aaliyah and Missy would have went on to create that classic. Missy is a GREAT songwriter first and still is. (Just like you said...I'm on my phone so I'm reading your post and typing as I go) She can hold her own.

Ok....

Everybody Answer this for me...would aaliyah be "princess aaliyah" with out timbo?

With that answer this....would timbo be timbo without aaliyah?

We could sit here and speculate all day. One could argue, would radio and execs even have given "Pony" a chance had "One In A Million" not blown up? Note that Missy says they had a hard time even getting "One In A Million" on radio because it sounded like nothing else.

 

[Maddmike]

Aaliyah was already known when Timbaland started working with her. One In A Million was Timbaland and Missy's big break. It's not a question of whether other artists would have had the Timbaland sound. It's a question of whether it would've had the same impact. "One In A Million" (the song) was the impact song even though "If Your Girl Only Knew" was a bigger hit on the charts. "If Your Girl Only Knew" is also produced by Timbaland, but it's hardly referenced as the song that changed R&B.

People sampled Aaliyah was she was alive:





"And I added that Aaliyah sample. I loved ‘One in a Million.’ I loved the video, the way she was moving her body, and I was really into the way she looked in that video, and the song was dope, Timbaland was a new guy to us, and he was just so ahead with this new sound"------ DJ Premier

http://www.complex.com/music/2011/0...d-classic-records/a-million-and-one-questions

you got me on the sampling parts....
even tho i could argue Jay was her homie and Master P and the gang, at the time TRU dropped, sampled ALOT of shyt....ill lstill let you have that....

....but I still dont agree with that was their big break for the simple fact that she didn't write her songs and she was no dynamic singer. Shawty was more like a face that any decent singer and pretty woman could have filled. I mean she was with Kellz before and we all know he is a excellent song writer (which still supports the fact that she just had better song writers that i said in my OG post) ....Can we agree missy would have still blew up? to say SHE shaped R&B at the time is just crazy....im basically saying put ciara in her position, she would have done the same.

 

[Maddmike]

We could sit here and speculate all day. One could argue, would radio and execs even have given "Pony" a chance had "One In A Million" not blown up? Note that Missy says they had a hard time even getting "One In A Million" on radio because it sounded like nothing else.

Thats with all music tho....i mean didnt no one want to put EM out either and we see how that ended up. You seem real educated in the music area, so im sure youd agree that music exec's only look for the "In" formula at that time am i right?

 

[JustCKing]

you got me on the sampling parts....
even tho i could argue Jay was her homie and Master P and the gang, at the time TRU dropped, sampled ALOT of shyt....ill lstill let you have that....

....but I still dont agree with that was their big break for the simple fact that she didn't write her songs and she was no dynamic singer. Shawty was more like a face that any decent singer and pretty woman could have filled. I mean she was with Kellz before and we all know he is a excellent song writer (which still supports the fact that she just had better song writers that i said in my OG post) ....Can we agree missy would have still blew up? to say SHE shaped R&B at the time is just crazy....im basically saying put ciara in her position, she would have done the same.

Sampling Aaliyah wasn't Jay's idea. It was DJ Premier's. So even if he was homies with Aaliyah, it's irrelevant.

No matter how you slice it, Aaliyah was their big break. It doesn't matter whether she didn't write her songs and was no dynamic singer.

Any face that any decent singer and pretty woman could have filled? Nicole Wray had a song that was a Top 5 hit written by Missy and produced by Timbaland. "Make It Hot" is her only hit. Timbaland produced for a stable of talented, beautiful females that never blew up. Virginia Williams was a great singer.

Who knows if Missy would've blown-up? I mean, let's look at Static and his group Playa. They had Timbaland production, but that album didn't catch on like Aaliyahs, Ginuwine's, Missy's, or the Tim & Magoo album. Static was possibly a better writer than Missy.

You can't put Ciara in her position. Even given some of the biggest producers and songwriters, we've already seen what happened.

 

[JustCKing]

Thats with all music tho....i mean didnt no one want to put EM out either and we see how that ended up. You seem real educated in the music area, so im sure youd agree that music exec's only look for the "In" formula at that time am i right?

It would depend on the exec. An exec that's going with what they think will be successful based on what's already successful will go with a formula. On the other hand, an exec that likes to take risks would welcome something that's left field.