Aaron Rodgers......

[FTBS]

I hear what you’re trying to say but more often than not you need great QB play to even be in that position and to win it. If Flacco played like his normal self then Baltimore doesn’t win. Same for Eli in the second SB. Those guys overachieved. Even Peyton had to be great for one half against New England in the AFCCG. No team should be overly reliant on anything but if you have to rely on one thing while you work on everything else, QB is the best place to start and they can cover up holes and all teams have holes. And it boils down to key moments where each unit has to be good enough to do its job. Yesterday, the Packers offense didn’t do its job in key moments while the other units did and the QB is the head of that. If the Bucs lose yesterday then Brady would rightfully be blamed even minus without those INTs because he should have scored on those drives.

Why did they overachieve? Because the other team didn't treat them the same way their defense treated Brady or Peyton. Their teams weren't leaning on them all game every game to carry shyt. Look at the QBs the Pats, the premiere team of this generation fared the worst against in the playoffs...Eli, Flacco, Sanchez, Foles, Tannehill, Plummer, Peyton's ghost. Meanwhile they ate MVPs for breakfast. A lot of teams subscribe to what you just suggested and they sat and watched the playoffs with us. All these highly drafted, highly touted, supremely talented QBs failing to cover anything up. A great o-line/poor pass rush will make a QB that isn't that good luck much better. A great QB will look not so great if he's running for his life all day because of his oline/the pass rush. People constantly talk about gotta have a QB but you look around and you got 2 number 1 pick QBs with SB rings in the last 20 years. Meanwhile you got nikkas picked in the late first, 2nd round, 3rd round, 6th round, not even sure where Foles went hoisting the hardware. You even look at Mahomes, as great as he is he benefits from the foundation that was in place before he got there.

The man gets the credit and the blame. That's fine. ARod could've been better no doubt. Point is, Brady was worse and he still won. That's my issue. We picking apart ARods performance like the winning QB wasn't worse. If Brady kept up that first half performance there wouldn't be anything for me to say but dude laid an egg in the 2nd half and Bucs offense didn't do anything in the key moments either but they got the win. And you and I both know Brady wouldn't have got any heat. Drew Brees barely got any so Brady sure wouldn't. From what I have seen ARod ain't really getting heat like that but I may have missed some things.

 

[No1]

Except for the fact that the teams that do that usually don't win. It's the teams with an elite QB that don't ask him to be elite all the time that usually win.

hold up let me reply to both posts in one (edit)

 

[broller]

Why did they overachieve? Because the other team didn't treat them the same way their defense treated Brady or Peyton. Their teams weren't leaning on them all game every game to carry shyt. Look at the QBs the Pats, the premiere team of this generation fared the worst against in the playoffs...Eli, Flacco, Sanchez, Foles, Tannehill, Plummer, Peyton's ghost. Meanwhile they ate MVPs for breakfast. A lot of teams subscribe to what you just suggested and they sat and watched the playoffs with us. All these highly drafted, highly touted, supremely talented QBs failing to cover anything up. A great o-line/poor pass rush will make a QB that isn't that good luck much better. A great QB will look not so great if he's running for his life all day because of his oline/the pass rush. People constantly talk about gotta have a QB but you look around and you got 2 number 1 pick QBs with SB rings in the last 20 years. Meanwhile you got nikkas picked in the late first, 2nd round, 3rd round, 6th round, not even sure where Foles went hoisting the hardware. You even look at Mahomes, as great as he is he benefits from the foundation that was in place before he got there.

The man gets the credit and the blame. That's fine. ARod could've been better no doubt. Point is, Brady was worse and he still won. That's my issue. We picking apart ARods performance like the winning QB wasn't worse. If Brady kept up that first half performance there wouldn't be anything for me to say but dude laid an egg in the 2nd half and Bucs offense didn't do anything in the key moments either but they got the win. And you and I both know Brady wouldn't have got any heat. Drew Brees barely got any so Brady sure wouldn't. From what I have seen ARod ain't really getting heat like that but I may have missed some things.

Facts.

 

[murksiderock]

Right...

And it may come off Im anti Rodgers..Im not one bit

its just I cant stand for someone nowhere close to Bradys accomplishments getting called a GOAT. Its disgusting. Its disrepectful as hell. Only people worth that talk as #2all time is Peyton and Montana.. thats it, thats all..

The Rodgers shyt is disgusting and forced. His stans and fanboys and NFL media want him to portray him at a certain level he hasn't proven he deserves. Most of the GOAT lists of the last two years typically have Rodgers only borderline Top 10, which makes sense to me---->he's arguable as Top 10 but you can make the argument he belongs outside of it:

Brady
Montana
Manning
Elway
Brees
Unitas
Favre
Marino
Graham
Staubach
Rodgers

Is how it typically looks on average, and his case for guys ahead of him is arguable both ways, both for and against him, up until the Top 3, which he really isn't close to, but given the fact that he doesn't have an airtight case, arguing he should be anywhere near comparable to Brady is embarrassing and goofy. That "best thrower of the football" shyt muhfukkas created specifically for Rodgers, is the equivalent of the basketball line "best skillset": none of that shyt means a hill of beans inside them white lines, its how you respond to circumstances and situations and how you elevate your performance in the biggest moments...

Why did they overachieve? Because the other team didn't treat them the same way their defense treated Brady or Peyton. Their teams weren't leaning on them all game every game to carry shyt. Look at the QBs the Pats, the premiere team of this generation fared the worst against in the playoffs...Eli, Flacco, Sanchez, Foles, Tannehill, Plummer, Peyton's ghost. Meanwhile they ate MVPs for breakfast. A lot of teams subscribe to what you just suggested and they sat and watched the playoffs with us. All these highly drafted, highly touted, supremely talented QBs failing to cover anything up. A great o-line/poor pass rush will make a QB that isn't that good luck much better. A great QB will look not so great if he's running for his life all day because of his oline/the pass rush. People constantly talk about gotta have a QB but you look around and you got 2 number 1 pick QBs with SB rings in the last 20 years. Meanwhile you got nikkas picked in the late first, 2nd round, 3rd round, 6th round, not even sure where Foles went hoisting the hardware. You even look at Mahomes, as great as he is he benefits from the foundation that was in place before he got there.

The man gets the credit and the blame. That's fine. ARod could've been better no doubt. Point is, Brady was worse and he still won. That's my issue. We picking apart ARods performance like the winning QB wasn't worse. If Brady kept up that first half performance there wouldn't be anything for me to say but dude laid an egg in the 2nd half and Bucs offense didn't do anything in the key moments either but they got the win. And you and I both know Brady wouldn't have got any heat. Drew Brees barely got any so Brady sure wouldn't. From what I have seen ARod ain't really getting heat like that but I may have missed some things.

Why do yall keep saying Brady was worse? It was a draw. Brady made the biggest plays when needed period, and its only a draw because of the picks. He was the more aggressive passer even in the face of multiple interceptions and multiple drops, and challenged GB's secondary deep repeatedly...

He threw three picks but he didn't actually play "worse" than Rodgers, but the three picks makes it a tied performance between the two, otherwise we'd be talking about homeboy getting outplayed in embarrassing fashion...

 

[Marc Spector]

The Packers under Rodgers, are a soft franchise who dont have aggression in their play style. Thats their problem.

 

[No1]

Why did they overachieve? Because the other team didn't treat them the same way their defense treated Brady or Peyton. Their teams weren't leaning on them all game every game to carry shyt. Look at the QBs the Pats, the premiere team of this generation fared the worst against in the playoffs...Eli, Flacco, Sanchez, Foles, Tannehill, Plummer, Peyton's ghost. Meanwhile they ate MVPs for breakfast. A lot of teams subscribe to what you just suggested and they sat and watched the playoffs with us. All these highly drafted, highly touted, supremely talented QBs failing to cover anything up. A great o-line/poor pass rush will make a QB that isn't that good luck much better. A great QB will look not so great if he's running for his life all day because of his oline/the pass rush. People constantly talk about gotta have a QB but you look around and you got 2 number 1 pick QBs with SB rings in the last 20 years. Meanwhile you got nikkas picked in the late first, 2nd round, 3rd round, 6th round, not even sure where Foles went hoisting the hardware. You even look at Mahomes, as great as he is he benefits from the foundation that was in place before he got there.

The man gets the credit and the blame. That's fine. ARod could've been better no doubt. Point is, Brady was worse and he still won. That's my issue. We picking apart ARods performance like the winning QB wasn't worse. If Brady kept up that first half performance there wouldn't be anything for me to say but dude laid an egg in the 2nd half and Bucs offense didn't do anything in the key moments either but they got the win. And you and I both know Brady wouldn't have got any heat. Drew Brees barely got any so Brady sure wouldn't. From what I have seen ARod ain't really getting heat like that but I may have missed some things.

I've responded to this like 8 times and I thought that it saved responses. But whenever I come back from work it's gone. I quit lol. I'll say this - you're conflating a bunch of different arguments. The elite QB argument isn't exclusive of, nor independent of a good team. Also, being drafted early doesn't make you elite. The rounds of players are irrelevant - it's their performance. Elite QBs have saved bad coaching throughout the last decade but they can seldom overcome it. And A-Rod had a better statline than Brady. But BRady was better for 2 1/2 quarters and it ended up being the difference.

Also, the Patriots argument is bad faith. Those QBs played well against them because those were years where the defense was bad, not because of them being played differently. If they faced what Manning and Warner did they would look like ass.

 

[murksiderock]

Not sure what your point is. BTW Flacco, Hasselback, Grossman, and Cam ain't going to the HOF. Matt's a maybe but no guarantees. Eli only getting in because of those SBs. Big reason for Ben too. Peyton was a straight up ghost in one SB. Russ was a 2nd year, hand off master, certainly not HOF caliber at that point.

Ben is in because he sustained a HOF level of play in regular seasons outside the championship years, completely different from Eli...

The Packers under Rodgers, are a soft franchise who dont have aggression in their play style. Thats their problem.

Tell the truth, shame the devil!

 

[Voice of Reason]

That man obviously doesn't want to be there and his heart is not in it. I guarantee that if goes to the Rams,Raiders, 49ers he will win another MVP.

 

[Spence]

Rodgers and a boat load of picks for Watson and a washed Watt (so he can go home and retire) since Deshaun wants to leave us

 

[Piff Perkins]

GB's coach lost that game. But sure, Rodgers didn't do enough to take advantage of Brady's turnovers. If Brady turns the ball over 3 times against an offense that's supposed to be as explosive as GB's...you gotta score more than 6 points off that.

Brady throws 3 picks against KC? That's 21 points.

 

[YaThreadTrashB!]

b*stards..


When JimmyG ends his career. He will be one of the top 30 QBs of ALL TIME

And he won’t be 26-30

Worry about him not getting cut by the niners

 

[Chip Skylark]

The Packers under Rodgers, are a soft franchise who dont have aggression in their play style. Thats their problem.

Ain’t this the truth

 

[Marc Spector]

Ain’t this the truth

I got time today cuz that game pissed me off.

2 coaches we've seen, and Rodgers still has the same "protect my stats at all costs" mentality. I swear the worst thing to happen to him was breaking the QBR and TD to INT ratio record. Its his holy grail and he rarely goes away from that "perfect play or bust" mentality. Ironic considering the Gunslinger himself was the the complete opposite. Its like a Monkeys Paw wish.

Im at a point where it doesnt matter where Aaron wouldve went, even if it was with Andy Reid, he still would never open himself up to running a aggressive (if wreckless) offense (though I would gladly take him in LA with McVay ), he wouldnt be able to accept the high risk/ high reward concept.

But he is not alone in the blame, oh no. The Packers are the St. Louis Cardinals of the NFL. Midwestern modern day fraud franchises that try to "gee wiz golly, Conservative Cac, Americana and Apple Pie and Norman Rockwell" juelz their way into our hearts and minds, living off of past glory when Black folks knew their place, without spending a fukking dime on building a contender. Just putting all their faith in draft and develop and free agency. Little to no trades and half assing it when they do. Making safe and conservative draft picks to build for the future instead of FIGHTING FOR TODAY. Look at the modern NFL, look at past 4-6 teams to make the Super Bowl, THEY WERE AGGRESSIVE ON OFFENSE AND DEFENSE AND IN GETTING FREE AGENTS AND TRADING PICKS.

shyts not hard to figure out.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I got time today

Can I get some of your time breh?

 

[FabTrey]

The Rodgers shyt is disgusting and forced. His stans and fanboys and NFL media want him to portray him at a certain level he hasn't proven he deserves. Most of the GOAT lists of the last two years typically have Rodgers only borderline Top 10, which makes sense to me---->he's arguable as Top 10 but you can make the argument he belongs outside of it:

Brady
Montana
Manning
Elway
Brees
Unitas
Favre
Marino
Graham
Staubach
Rodgers

Is how it typically looks on average, and his case for guys ahead of him is arguable both ways, both for and against him, up until the Top 3, which he really isn't close to, but given the fact that he doesn't have an airtight case, arguing he should be anywhere near comparable to Brady is embarrassing and goofy. That "best thrower of the football" shyt muhfukkas created specifically for Rodgers, is the equivalent of the basketball line "best skillset": none of that shyt means a hill of beans inside them white lines, its how you respond to circumstances and situations and how you elevate your performance in the biggest moments...



Why do yall keep saying Brady was worse? It was a draw. Brady made the biggest plays when needed period, and its only a draw because of the picks. He was the more aggressive passer even in the face of multiple interceptions and multiple drops, and challenged GB's secondary deep repeatedly...

He threw three picks but he didn't actually play "worse" than Rodgers, but the three picks makes it a tied performance between the two, otherwise we'd be talking about homeboy getting outplayed in embarrassing fashion...

i get it, but i can't have Brees ahead of Rodgers. just can't. Rodgers is a better QB.