Adam Silver on ending one-and-done rule, If super teams are a problem

[Optimus Prime]

The commissioner and owners get all the blame for this rule but it's also the current NBA players that don't want the rule changed

 

[tremonthustler1]

more on my point... look at last years freshmen

simmons... couldn't do shyt in college, took team nowhere... now we get to wait while he's injured all year and spend the next few years watching him try to develop a damn jumper... this is the first pick
ingram....avg at best... second pick... ain't doing shyt... another project to watch
brown... 3rd pick.... who?? nikkas made it to the offs and he ain't do shyt
jamal murray.. 7th pick... WHO?
marquese chriss.. 8th pick... nikka who?


these are your top 10 picks that are one and dones... nba don't want to see their top 10 picks coming out here avg 9 point and below a game.. 2nd pick in the draft talking about "maybe he'll be a good role player next year and then in his third we might can mold him into a star"

nikka you supposed to be molded when you get here.. this the damn nba, not the d-league.. and i bet if they stayed in college, they'd have developed some skills at the LEAST... or teams would figure out, hey maybe these ain't no top 10 nikkas

How'd the 5th pick pan out so far?

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

How'd the 5th pick pan out so far?

shytty as well

but the 6th pick... and only senior in the top 10... buddy is avg 15 ppg and is the highest scoring rookie in the top 10 by damn near 5 points


but let me put it another way that'll settle this whole argument.

the argument for the players is set in stone.. millions or zero.. of course they want millions

the argument for the nba is better players or worse players in the draft... they don't want you spending 3 years of nba time learning the game... so do y'all think you're going to get worse players if they stay for 3 like the nfl or better players?

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Denzel Valentine played 4 years under Izzo and was terrible.

i didn't say this was a flawless system brehs... but lets stop acting like if you are at level 1 coming out of high school... that after 3 years of playing the game of basketball anywhere on earth... that you will still be at level 1

i don't care if it's at the damn rucker... you gonna get better

the nba is simply saying, we don't want your scrub asses getting better here... be better when you get here.. that's the whole basis for the rule

 

[jwinfield]

shytty as well

but the 6th pick... and only senior in the top 10... buddy is avg 15 ppg and is the highest scoring rookie in the top 10 by damn near 5 points

And in 2015, the only senior drafted in the top 10 averaged 8ppg on 41% shooting as a damn near 7 footer while the one and done #1 pick put up 21/11/2.

i didn't say this was a flawless system brehs... but lets stop acting like if you are at level 1 coming out of high school... that after 3 years of playing the game of basketball anywhere on earth... that you will still be at level 1

We've seen plenty of can't miss talents, go to college for 4 years, do absolutely nothing and end up in Europe.

 

[jwinfield]

The NBA Draft age limit 10 years later

In an interview with Myles Brown of GQ Magazine, Sonny Vaccaro breaks down one of the major benefits of the age limit from the owners’ perspective:

They keep them extra years from earning their second contract. The second contract is the big contract. When they were coming out at seventeen years old, they were getting their second contract at 22 years old. Now they'll get it at 25. Now they've saved three years on maximizing their ability. It's a financial thing. Stern knew what he was doing. It wasn't that they were afraid to go in high school gyms. They were in there from 1993 to 2005. These guys talk in riddles and the public is blinded by it.

If the NBA feels that college is a must for development, why is the age limit for the D League 18

 

[jwinfield]

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/29/sports/basketball/turn-one-and-done-into-none-and-done.html?_r=1

In reality, no amateur draft is more predictive than the N.B.A.’s. As an agent who represents 50 current pros, I can say with reasonable certainty that college seasoning doesn’t help general managers make better draft decisions. Nor does cosseted campus life prepare players for life in the N.B.A. The best high school basketball players become the best one-year college players, are the highest N.B.A. draft picks, and ultimately earn the most money from playing salaries and endorsements. Over the last three seasons, more than half of the N.B.A. All-Stars had either turned pro out of high school or been one-and-done.

Eighty-four percent of the high school players drafted from 1995 to 2005 had N.B.A. careers lasting at least eight seasons. The median career length was 10 seasons, more than double the average for an N.B.A. player. Of the 38 high school players drafted since 1995, when the rookie wage scale was introduced, 24 played in the N.B.A. this season, about 63 percent.

In contrast, 59 of the 82 college freshmen who turned pro since 1996 were still on active rosters, about 72 percent. Only a handful of players failed to pan out on the pro level, and one was seriously hurt before his rookie season.

Major League Baseball allows high school stars to enter its draft, which is how, at the not-so-tender age of 19, Bryce Harper and Mike Trout became impact players. Among the Hall of Famers who made their debuts as teenagers were Bob Feller, Mickey Mantle, Johnny Bench, Brooks Robinson, Harmon Killebrew, Al Kaline, Ken Griffey Jr., Robin Yount and a pitcher named Babe Ruth.

Mark Emmert, the N.C.A.A. president, has voiced no objection to the 500 ballplayers who annually sign pro contracts out of high school. A vast majority of them will never play a major league game, even those drafted in the first round. Most toil in the minors, where they earn minor league salaries. The same goes for hockey players. The big difference is that M.L.B. and the N.H.L. let high school athletes choose between college and the pros.

 

[Two Stacks]

why should we care if it makes CBB better or worse when CBB exploits these kids for "free tuiton and books".

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

The NBA Draft age limit 10 years later



If the NBA feels that college is a must for development, why is the age limit for the D League 18

the rule is not that you have to go to college... the rule simply states you must be 19

"you can go wherever the hell you want.. just don't come here." is what they are saying. they don't want you developing in the nba, during a season. they want you already developed when you get there

 

[jwinfield]

they don't want you developing in the nba, during a season. they want you already developed when you get there

But we have developmental time with 3-4 year college players.

Kris Dunn was the "most NBA ready" in last year's draft and he looks like he's another year or 2 away.

 

[Absolut]

its been said a hundred times. adopt the college baseball rule and be done with it. off to college? see you in 3 years min in the nba. want to go right to the league and press your luck? declare for the draft, and if you dont get picked you can either go to a college amd try the draft again in 3 years or play in europe. maybe extend the draft an extra round

 

[SadimirPutin]

The one and done has no effect on talent evaluation so it doesn't benefit the nba....the GM's and scouts will still either make good choices or bad ones...even all these supposed European pros that come to the league have a learning curve.....nba players get better facing each other......not playing for or against a university in bumfukk nowhere

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

The one and done has no effect on talent evaluation so it doesn't benefit the nba....the GM's and scouts will still either make good choices or bad ones...even all these supposed European pros that come to the league have a learning curve.....nba players get better facing each other......not playing for or against a university in bumfukk nowhere

to those that say college has zero effect on a player getting better, why would the nba keep extending the time to get there?

they had it so you can come out of high school forever... but in 2006 they said they was getting too much shytty talent trying to come right out and made this rule...

they are now, 10 years later, saying this shyt still ain't working... even with the d league and ability to go overseas


so if they know it doesn't matter how much you play elsewhere... and it actually helps you become a better player to get in the nba sooner... then why would the nba purposely keep players away?

that's less stars for them.. less years with those stars in the league... and worst stars since they wasted time not learning the nba game at 18?

makes no sense

 

[brick james]

i didn't say this was a flawless system brehs... but lets stop acting like if you are at level 1 coming out of high school... that after 3 years of playing the game of basketball anywhere on earth... that you will still be at level 1

i don't care if it's at the damn rucker... you gonna get better

the nba is simply saying, we don't want your scrub asses getting better here... be better when you get here.. that's the whole basis for the rule

But the basis of the rule doesn't make sense, because they can dictate who gets into the league and who doesn't. Would you support a 4 year requirement? 1 year is an arbitrary number, and it's all a part of the NCAA racket. The NBA gets that free promotion for future NBA players and the NCAA gets free entertainers.

 

[SadimirPutin]

to those that say college has zero effect on a player getting better, why would the nba keep extending the time to get there?

they had it so you can come out of high school forever... but in 2006 they said they was getting too much shytty talent trying to come right out and made this rule...

they are now, 10 years later, saying this shyt still ain't working... even with the d league and ability to go overseas


so if they know it doesn't matter how much you play elsewhere... and it actually helps you become a better player to get in the nba sooner... then why would the nba purposely keep players away?

that's less stars for them.. less years with those stars in the league... and worst stars since they wasted time not learning the nba game at 18?

makes no sense

the nba is saying that because they quite clearly have a fukking agenda...which you seem to be ignoring

The NBA is never going to say hey we have had GM's and owners who havent been held accountable for their decisions

The nba isnt going to say that we recycle failed coaches ad nauseum.

The nba isnt going to say hey all those guys we bring in from europe that have been playing professionally still have the same adjustment curve as these college kids...many times even worse.

The nba isnt going to say we would really like if salaries would drop across the board and free agency became less restrictive

NBA doesnt say a lot of fukking things

The college one and done is simply another way they would like to restrict money earned. THERE IS NOTHING NOBLE ABOUT THEIR INTENTION

fukk outta here