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People just make shyt up for their own agendas without the receipts.

Amy Winehouse and Adele have BY FAR put out the best singing albums out of England in terms of quality and potential for mass appeal. Thats why they have blown.

Niqqas wanna use race as an excuse for anything.



Estelle attacks 'blindness to black talent'

She is at number one in the singles charts and will shortly release what has been described as a must-have album, but the singer Estelle has hit out what she sees as blindness in the British media and music industry to black talent. In today's Film and Music, the 28-year-old, originally from west London, questions the promotion of an overwhelmingly white generation of young British singers, even those performing "black" soul music.

Singling out Adele and Duffy, who she knocked off the number one spot at the weekend, she says: "I'm not mad at them, but I'm wondering - how the hell is there not a single black person in the press singing soul? Adele ain't soul. She sounds like she heard some Aretha records once, and she's got a deeper voice - that don't mean she's soul. That don't mean nothing to me in the grand scheme of my life as a black person. As a songwriter, I get what they do. As a black person, I'm like: you're telling me this is my music? fukk that!"

Estelle had a breakthrough hit in 2004 with 1980, a gritty, inventive and acclaimed account of her upbringing. "There is a fashion for YWFs - young white females," said Paul McKenzie, editor of the urban music magazine Touch. "They are the ones who are given the money and the time, and most importantly, people are patient with them. Duffy, if she hadn't had this hit, would have been given a second chance, and a third. Estelle wasn't. The people who hold the purse strings are looking at trends rather than talent. If you're not a young white female - in other words if you're black - I can imagine that is incredibly depressing."

Estelle attacks 'blindness to black talent'

Estelle Lets It Rip On Adele and Duffy: “Is There Not a Single Black Person Singing Soul?”

Estelle may have the No. 1 song in the UK right now, but she still has some issues with the British music industry. The London-born, New York-based singer-songwriter recently did an interview with The Guardian, and she gets heated about white-girl “soul” divas Adele and Duffy:

“It’s hilarious,” she says, speaking at the height of Duffy/Adele media mania a few weeks back. “I’m not mad at ’em – but I’m just wondering, how the hell is there not a single black person in the press singing soul? Adele ain’t soul. She sounds like she heard some Aretha records once and she’s got a deeper voice – that don’t mean she’s soul. That don’t mean nothing to me in the grand scheme of my life as a black person. As a songwriter, I get what they do. As a black person, I’m like: you’re telling ME this is MY music? F*** that! They keep trying to tell me in the media what soul music is and I’m like, we KNOW what soul music is, stop f***ing around with us! You’re taking the piss out of every black person in the country! And then they say, ‘Oh, don’t bring race into it.’ We’re not stupid, stop it.” Having begun sarcastically and dismissively, Estelle’s eyes are now blazing, and she smacks her fist into her palm to emphasise her point. “We. Ain’t. Blind.”

Estelle has an intimate understanding of the ups-and-downs of the UK music scene: her first album came out in 2004, and while her work was acclaimed, she quickly faded off the airwaves. It was only after she moved to the U.S. – when she hooked up with the likes of Kanye West and John Legend – that she’s had any success in her home country. It had to have been difficult to watch lesser singers like Adele, Duffy, and Gabriella Cilmi blow up before they even had records out. And she’s right: Adele ain’t soul. Duffy is about as soulful as Miley Cyrus.

Black artists in Britain have it tough. Britain’s soul heritage is largely blue-eyed. White Brits like Mick Jagger, Paul Weller, and Rod Stewart absorbed the blues, Motown, and Philly soul and made them their own, applying the forms to their own experiences. Coming from the creative fountain of African-American culture, black music in the States is viewed as hipper and more authentic. And the biggest African-American artists – the Beyoncés, the Kanyes, the Ushers, the Mary J. Bliges – are backed by the massive U.S. record company machines. They bring their buzz and pop-culture cachet with them when they come to the British shores. Black Brits can’t compete. It’s sad and ironic, but black British artists may have to leap the pond like Estelle did if they want to be stars in their native country. Kind of goes in the face of the idea that Brits are more tolerant, doesn’t it?

Estelle Lets It Rip On Adele and Duffy: “Is There Not a Single Black Person Singing Soul?”
 

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She's a great singer by cac standards that are generally weak. She's not even a great singer..only reason she's doing well is black people have stopped making soulful music.

Nah, it has to do with oddness of soulful white singers being able to sound black vs nothing special about blacks, sounding black. Same thing we saw with Eminem within HipHop




From 2011

British phenom Adele and rapper Eminem are two of the music industry’s best-selling artists, having moved millions of units and digital downloads this year. Aside from their commercial success, there’s also something even more unique about both: they are part of an exclusive cadre of white artists who have hit it big with musical styles that make them popular amongst both mainstream and black audiences.

That is no easy feat, as the road to the Billboard charts is littered with so-called “blue-eyed soul” singers whose successes can be ephemeral. Though it may be hard to remember now, there was once a time when the likes of mainstream artists such as Madonna and New Kids on the Block were once mistaken for black singers, or wholeheartedly embraced a soul-infused sound. In the intervening years, numerous other artists ascended to stellar heights singing rhythm and blues (R&B) or rap music.

Over the last few decades, however, a once lengthy list populated by names like Teena Marie, Lisa Stansfield, and Dusty Springfield has been culled to a much smaller number. Those who remain – such as U.K. divas Joss Stone and Amy Winehouse – have seen endless amounts of ink spilled about their relevance and staying power within a genre whose singers are overwhelmingly black.



So why exactly do white soul singers catch fire in ways some black artists don’t? Theories abound, but one major factor may be society’s deeply ingrained beliefs about how white artists should sound.

“It’s fair to say that blue-eyed soul artists have always flirted close with being novelty acts, not because that’s their intention but because of society’s rigid, racial assumptions…that turns any white person who can credibly sing [into] a black aesthetic,” Oliver Wang, a sociology professor at California State University-Long Beach, told TheGrio.com.


Wang, the author of Classic Material: The Hip-Hop Album Guide, says that the preponderance of talented black singers can turn comparable white artists into an irresistible curiosity to mainstream audiences. Therefore, blue-eyed soul singers “seem extra special whereas, if a black artist sounded identical, that’s not seen as necessarily remarkable.”In other words, black singers may be victims of their own talents. Audiences are fickle, and will gravitate to the first thing that looks unusual.

Thanks to shows like American Idol, society is starting to get numb to the black girl who can sing her ass off,” quipped Steve “Funkworm” Butler, a Chicago-based independent music producer and blogger. “Most believe that they can walk into any black church on Sunday morning, close their eyes, reach into the choir stands, and pull out a exceptional singer. And this is partially true.”

For that reason, ambient resentment toward blue-eyed soul artists has festered for years – most notably when George Michael (who has since gone pop) scored a controversial win in the R&B/Soul category of the American Music Awards back in 1989. That led to misguided assertions that white singers might be ‘taking over’ a medium pioneered by blacks for blacks.

“The larger issue is just that African Americans have had to be more protective of their cultural capital just because it’s the only capital that they had,” explains said Joseph G. Schloss, a professor at Baruch College in New York and author of a book on hip-hop culture in New York. “So it’s not so much about the music as it is about preserving resources for the community.”

Virtually since R&B was in its infancy, white singers have had a place in the genre in ways large and small. For some, the flameout comes quicker than others: several Caucasian soul singers have suffered a painfully short half-life. In many instances, these artists cross over into even more successful pop careers.

Fairly or not, the permutation from soul to pop has led to some accusations that white singers cynically manipulate black audiences to achieve mainstream career advancement. Industry observers acknowledge an element of opportunism, but add that it’s also contingent on how faithful the individual singer is to his or her black audience.

“It’s more about the artist working to maintain a relationship with the African American community as much as it is about their specific musical choices; and each can influence the other,” Schloss said. “I think Teena Marie would be a perfect example of that.”

The majority of white soul singers and rappers (Eminem being the among the most prominent examples) work hard to maintain the loyalty of black audiences. Yet there’s little doubt that some blacks view white artists with suspicion. Here’s where territoriality rears its head: because soul has historically been black, some may resent the encroachment of white artists on this turf.

But what determines whether a blue-eyed soul singer explodes like Robin Thicke, or fizzles quicker than neo-soul crooner Remy Shand? Timing may be everything, experts say: some argue that only one or two white R&B artists at a time can hold a grip on the public’s imagination successfully.

Evidence strongly substantiates this theory. After all, the prominence of Stone, Winehouse and Adele materialized in successive waves. Once one career cooled, the other’s seemingly gained momentum.

This differs from the paradigm exhibited by black R&B artists, which often sees multiple singers occupying the limelight at the same time.

“The problem with being treated as a novelty of sorts is that there’s usually only room for one at any given time, thus limiting their opportunities,” said CSU’s Wang. “In contrast, you can have Kelly Rowland, Beyonce and Rihanna all chasing after the same market simultaneously.”

For that reason, charges of white soul singers “taking over” seem overblown at best. Particularly because according to industry watchers, the politics of the music business and entrenched cultural preferences can play a decisive role in the career of white soul artists.

“It’s still very hard to break a white singer into the urban market,” Butler argues. “These artists, for the most part, still need to be cuddled by successful black producers or collaborate with successful black artists. That cosign makes it a little easier for them to get accepted by black audiences.”

How white artists keep black music alive
 

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Then it isn't meant for you and you should move on. Not everything is for everybody but millions of people around the world love her. I got young nieces who adore Adele even though they couldn't possibly relate to the content.

Some of y'all just come off bitter that rap and R&B don't have this type of ceiling anymore.
It never had this ceiling and never will. Rap still requires the listener to understand what the person is saying to a certain degree. Unless rap strips away all the metaphors and becomes sing-a-long it will never happen.
 

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I don't understand what's so special about her music for it to sell this much. She isn't bad at all but its like what is the big deal? :ld:
Adele can sing, but this stuff has a lot to do with who people have access to...which is predetermined.

This is a girl from the UK. Ain't no privilage. I think it's harder for a girl from London to blow in US music than a black artist.

Adele is just brilliant and extremely likeable. People just fell in love with the idea of the purity of it too. No collabs, chubby chic who's just a brilliant writer and singer. Her songs really move people emotionally too.

There's a lot of good singers but writers? Nah. Most these singing girls got writers

This song was the blow up. I won't admit to tearing up to it :hmm:


Anyone who cosigned this post is an idiot. Like, I can't even begin. That bolded/underlined is the dumbest thing I heard all day. That aside, Adele is not a brilliant songwriter, her lyrics are simple. Her appeal is in that she is simple and sings well and people can relate. That's it. Even she admits that and that's why she's likeable.

But that shyt you said about US music is enough to get you negged honestly. You might want to bow out. You didn't even list the proper song she blew up off of :laff:
 
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Ahh yeah I like that adele gangsta rap song called "6 in the morning" shyt bout to go double platinum and shyt
 

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Adele can sing, but this stuff has a lot to do with who people have access to...which is predetermined.


Anyone who cosigned this post is an idiot. Like, I can't even begin. That bolded/underlined is the dumbest thing I heard all day. That aside, Adele is not a brilliant songwriter, her lyrics are simple. Her appeal is in that she is simple and sings well and people can relate. That's it. Even she admits that and that's why she's likeable.

But that shyt you said about US music is enough to get you negged honestly. You might want to bow out. You didn't even list the proper song she blew up off of :laff:

Yeah, that post was ridiculous:mjlol: White artist from the UK might even be more stanned in the USA by white americans, than home grown white american musicians since the 1960's.
 

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None of those 2 music has moved me at all :mjlol: Those just some girls who are good at singing to me.
but jazmine has been a songwriter on various hits. and she is very soulful too. shes chubby just like adele so it isnt a matter of marketing.
what gives?
 

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I don't know any black chicks who fukk with her like they do with Beyonce and shyt.

White,Asians, pretty much all non black people love Adele....to people who grew up listening to R&B she is boring as fukk,and nothing special.
i actually hadnt heard of adele until like 2012 when a jamaican chick told me she was listening to her album and how its been on repeat.
 

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Adele can sing, but this stuff has a lot to do with who people have access to...which is predetermined.


Anyone who cosigned this post is an idiot. Like, I can't even begin. That bolded/underlined is the dumbest thing I heard all day. That aside, Adele is not a brilliant songwriter, her lyrics are simple. Her appeal is in that she is simple and sings well and people can relate. That's it. Even she admits that and that's why she's likeable.

But that shyt you said about US music is enough to get you negged honestly. You might want to bow out. You didn't even list the proper song she blew up off of :laff:



Someone Like You...without question is the song that sent her to superstardom. It was everywhere. :stopitslime:
 
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