Adele's 7 million albums sold = end of black/urban music?

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stopped reading after this. this will be the last time i address you on this forum.
you're just trolling and you're lucky i'm not a moderator



Napster killed the "old model" so everybody's sales are down, everybody knows this.
but at the same time 50 cent came well after the napster era and sold a ton of records
these last 5 years have been brutal for R&B/HIP HOP sales, everybody isn't gonna sell 5 million albums, that's exceptional in ANY era
but when the #1 hip hop and R&B artists are barely going platinum :francis:


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Napster killed the "old model" so everybody's sales are down, everybody knows this.
but at the same time 50 cent came well after the napster era and sold a ton of records
these last 5 years have been brutal for R&B/HIP HOP sales, everybody isn't gonna sell 5 million albums, that's exceptional in ANY era

The last 5 years have been brutal for everyone

but when the #1 hip hop and R&B artists are barely going platinum :francis:

The top (commercially known/hot) r&b/hiphop stars have all went plat or gold in the past few years. Beyonce, Usher, Jay z etc..
 

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The last 5 years have been brutal for everyone



The top (commercially known/hot) r&b/hiphop stars have all went plat or gold in the past few years. Beyonce, Usher, Jay z etc..

i said barely...

beyonce is the #1 artist on our planet supposedly but her last shyt only went double platinum? :comeon:
to put that in perspective, taylor swift's "1989" album went 5X platinum
Janet reigned over her competition, so did Whitney - check the sales. look all this up.

and we're back to my initial question...how do we get back on top? clearly beyonce and riri ain't up to the job :sas1:
 

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i said barely...

beyonce is the #1 artist on our planet supposedly but her last shyt only went double platinum? :comeon:
to put that in perspective, taylor swift's "1989" album went 5X platinum

Beyonce did 2x in the USA 5 worldwide

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Janet reigned over her competition, so did Whitney - check the sales. look all this up.

Why do you keep bring up people who sold in a different climate?:beli: Did you not see this?:skip:

11.2 million: Number of 21 albums sold in the United States
When you factor in the rest of the world, 21 sold more than 30 million albums.

There are a few things that make these numbers notable. First and foremost, buying actual albums has become an anomaly — yet Adele managed to sell almost as many albums in 2011 as fellow belter Celine Dion did for her smash hit album Falling Into You in 1996.

But Dion recorded in an era when albums that sold that many copies were far more common. (There were three by women artists alone in 1995, for instance.) That's no longer true now. If you take into account the rise of streaming (which isn't counted in album sales), Adele's numbers would far surpass Dion's.

Adele still dominates when you stack her up against her contemporaries. Taylor Swift, for example, sold 3.66 million copies of 1989 in the USlast year. In 2011 alone, Adele sold over 2 million more, with 5.82 million.

The easiest explanation for Adele's success in album sales is that, quite simply, her fan base is not just broader but older. "A lot of her following is older than Taylor Swift's," Rolling Stone editor Anthony DeCurtis recently told USA Today, "and they are people who will buy a CD or download a record," as opposed to listening on Spotify or another streaming service.


4 numbers that explain Adele's total dominance of the music industry



and we're back to my initial question...how do we get back on top? clearly beyonce and riri ain't up to the job :sas1:

you can't get back to those sells if noone is buying it. As I said before, it has something to with internet downloading (the reason why physical album sells are down in all genres) and the generational shift. The reason why black people ruled the charts IMO in the 90's because they were 70's and 80's babies who grew/aged with the rise of HipHop culture. What you have now are 90's/2k babies who have all this net downloading and a change in popular musical tastes. You can make the connection by tracking the rise of EDM that started around 2004. Repost of mine of the topic


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No coincidence that EDM sounds have very little shelf life, and no music foundation. Sad that making music dedicated to love is played out, but poppin bottles is pushed upon.

The rise of modern EDM is a direct correlation of WHITE PEOPLES CONTEMPORARY MUSICAL TASTE

Black people innovate styles but white activity/support are what make the styles popular

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I'm starting to think R&B died because of lack of crossover success. Last night I was going over the #1 hits on the Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart from 2009-2012. I'm noticing that #1 R&B hits are not having success on the Billboard Hot 100



Examples:

1. Maxwell's "Pretty Wings" was #1 on the R&B/Hip-Hop charts for 14 straight weeks but only peaked at #33 on the Billboard Hot 100 back in '09.

2. Trey Songz's "I Invented Sex" was #1 on the R&B/Hip-Hop charts for 2 weeks but only peaked at #42 on the Billboard Hot 100 back in '09.

3. Melanie Fiona's "It Kills Me" was #1 on the R&B/Hip-Hop charts for 9 straight weeks but only peaked at #43 on the Billboard Hot 100 back in 2010.

4. Robin Thicke's "Sex Therapy" was #1 on the R&B/Hip-Hop charts for 2 weeks but only peaked at #54 on the Billboard Hot 100 back in 2010.

5. Monica's "Everything to Me" was #1 on the R&B/Hip-Hop charts for 7 straight weeks but only peaked at #44 on the Billboard Hot 100 back in 2010.

6. Trey Songz's "Can't Be Friends" was #1 on the R&B/Hip-Hop charts for 13 straight weeks but only peaked at #43 on the Billboard Hot 100 back in 2010-2011.

7. Jamie Foxx's "Fall for Your Type" was #1 on the R&B/Hip-Hop charts for 2 weeks but only peaked at #50 on the Billboard Hot 100 back in 2011.

8. Miguel's "Sure Thing" was #1 on the R&B/Hip-Hop charts but only peaked at #36 on the Billboard Hot 100 back in 2011.

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It's a combination of things..reposts of mines


I am not saying they aren/t being made. But not NEARLY as much as it was done before.

and they weren't being hid away on Black urban adult contemporary(I'm sure that is a strong demographic).

I'm sayin jodeci, Boyz 2 men,Usher, Dru Hill, Ginuwine, Jagged Edge, R, Kelly, Brian McKnight among MANY MANY others were being played in regular rotation . And these were the love songs, they were getting heavy play.

It has something IMO to do with the newer generation who were born most likely in the later 90's to early 2000's. Top 40 and related charts best represent the tastes of that age span and it's no coincidence Dance music which was frowned upon in the USA since the days of Disco all of a sudden blew up in the USA after 25 years of being ignored by the older generation.



To adapt to the commercialism of House and other EDM styles starting to make an impact, many R&B singers started making R&B-House Dance Pop instead so the previous sounds got drowned out of the Top 40. Rihanna and Usher are perfect examples of the change. This change didn't impact "Blue Eyed Soul" singers as much as HipHop Soul/Soul/Neo Soul singing "black" artists because they're always going to sell because most consumers are "white". Out of that change, you get your Florida's, Pitbull's, and Jason Derulo's, Chris Brown's, Rihanna's etc..who start doing HipHouse or Electro-HipHop/Electro R&B hybrids



I said it in that Tyrese thread: white ppl aren't drawn to "soul". Thats why a song like Shame doesn't get play on stations aimed at whites. It doesn't appeal to them. Thats why artists like Usher, Ne-Yo and Chris Brown can thrive on pop radio. They have "crossover" appeal. Thats why "black" sounding music from the soul isn't being made by the more popular mainstream acts: they're chasing that white dollar

You're wrong though. They love "Soul" they're just willing to support it more if it comes from a "white" person. The "soul" part is exactly why Adele and Amy Winehouse got so big.

To add more to that

Turning tables: how Brit soul lost touch with its black heritage

While Sam Smith, Adele and co fly the flag for British soul in the charts, the only black artists in on the boom are talent-show stragglers. Why does the music industry refuse to market them properly?



Centre-stage and sidelined … Adele and Rough Copy. Photograph: Getty/Rex


If you ask the accountants at some major labels, British soul is basking in a golden age. While record sales have flatlined, Sam Smith and Adele have been shifting albums by the pound. They’ve racked up awards both here and in the States, and provided a smooth soundtrack for a million coffee franchises. Meanwhile, Ed Sheeran is strumming with Pharrell, James Blake is collaborating with the RZA, and Jessie J has been belting out lung-busters under the watchful eye of R&B hit factory Rodney “Darkchild” Jerkins. No doubt Brit soul, a genre taken seriously enough to warrant its own extensive Wikipedia page, is booming. There’s only one thing that seems to be missing: black artists.

As many have pointed out, all this Grammy-grabbing and Mobo-snatching has been a pretty pale affair. It’s almost impossible to name a black British soul or R&B act who has had any major success in the last couple of years. There may have been some attempts to classify FKA Twigs as an “alternative R&B” act, but she has rightfully kyboshed the notion, memorably stating “fukk alternative R&B” when asked about her place in the genre. The irony here is that the previously anonymous artist – her music closer to Björk’s than Aaliyah’s – only picked up the alt-R&B label when photos revealed her mixed-race heritage. Realistically, in the current UK soul scene, that heritage would have made her an exception rather than a rule.



It wasn’t always so. While English singers from Mick Jagger to Mick Hucknall have long shown a flair for repackaging American R&B, they used to exist alongside a credible pool of black British talent. The 80s saw both Sade and Soul II Soul score global hits, followed by a 90s rush of talent that saw Omar, Carleen Anderson and Caron Wheeler take on the “mature” end of the market, while teen idols from Craig David to Ms Dynamite dominated the mainstream. But as the millennium rolled over, somewhere deep within the bowels of the pop colossus a switch was flicked. Suddenly, labels were signing the likes of Amy Winehouse, Duffy and Joss Stone, and soon started squeezing megahits from the blue-eyed gospel of Sam Smith and Ella Henderson. Other than the occasional instances – JLS, Alexandra Burke or Leona Lewis – Brit soul has had a white face for nearly a decade.

It’s worth noting that these isolated successes have come through TV talent shows. But rather than this proving that talent shows support black artists, the comparatively low proportion of success stories suggests quite the opposite – something Kazeem Ajobe, Nigerian-born singer of X Factor runners-up Rough Copy, agrees with.

The simple truth is this,” he explains over the phone. “When a white person sings like a black person, it’s a phenomenon; it’s headline news. When a black singer sounds black there is no news angle, it’s just normal. So labels think it’s easier to package and sell a white R&B artist than a black one.

Turning tables: how Brit soul lost touch with its black heritage


That's basically whats happening right now in the USA.This type of stuff isn't going to blow coming from a "black" person










but this will coming from a "white" person



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.............if the roles were reversed, the "white" artist would blow doing the "black" artists songs before the "black" artists would doing the "white" artists songs and because of this, this why we have these Derulo and Chris Brown types who are doing Electro-R&B-House-Hiphop hybrids. Even Usher has been flirting with similar hybrids to produce this cheesy tune



and these






.....it was just 8 years earlier Usher sold 10 million in the USA and 20 mil world wide with pure HipHop Soul (Usher was always 90's HipHop Soul in his sound but never true Soul )

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because of the climate of the music industry/consumers, white artists will still sell more because they are the ones buying the albums, just like they always have.
 

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Beyonce did 2x in the USA 5 worldwide

Why do you keep bring up people who sold in a different climate?:beli: Did you not see this?:skip:

1) adding her "global" sales makes it even worse...beyonce is lagging behind her female counterparts, and terribly too - again, no emotion, no opinion, just going by numbers :manny:

2) sold in a different climate!? huh? so let you tell it, we should just erase all album sales and successes prior to this "CLIMATE" we are in now? the beatles, rolling stones, michael jackson, none of that means shyt huh. let's just erase all of those records...

you're full of shyt too because if you're favorite artist outsold any of those artists you'd create a post bragging and boasting and making all the comparisons in the world. and you should.

STAR WARS hasn't broken any records because we're in a new "climate" too huh :mjlol:

I know you're trying to stay on top of this debate or whatever, but let's not just get to where we're saying just ANYTHING :comeon:
 

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2) sold in a different climate!? huh? so let you tell it, we should just erase all album sales and successes prior to this "CLIMATE" we are in now? the beatles, rolling stones, michael jackson, none of that means shyt huh. let's just erase all of those records...

I'll post it again until you get in your head

11.2 million: Number of 21 albums sold in the United States
When you factor in the rest of the world, 21 sold more than 30 million albums.

There are a few things that make these numbers notable. First and foremost, buying actual albums has become an anomaly — yet Adele managed to sell almost as many albums in 2011 as fellow belter Celine Dion did for her smash hit album Falling Into You in 1996.

But Dion recorded in an era when albums that sold that many copies were far more common. (There were three by women artists alone in 1995, for instance.) That's no longer true now. If you take into account the rise of streaming (which isn't counted in album sales), Adele's numbers would far surpass Dion's.

Adele still dominates when you stack her up against her contemporaries. Taylor Swift, for example, sold 3.66 million copies of 1989 in the USlast year. In 2011 alone, Adele sold over 2 million more, with 5.82 million.

The easiest explanation for Adele's success in album sales is that, quite simply, her fan base is not just broader but older. "A lot of her following is older than Taylor Swift's," Rolling Stone editor Anthony DeCurtis recently told USA Today, "and they are people who will buy a CD or download a record," as opposed to listening on Spotify or another streaming service.


4 numbers that explain Adele's total dominance of the music industry




you're full of shyt too because if you're favorite artist outsold any of those artists you'd create a post bragging and boasting and making all the comparisons in the world. and you should.

Nope. Album sales were never an indication of quality and to a degree, popularity.

I know you're trying to stay on top of this debate or whatever, but let's not just get to where we're saying just ANYTHING :comeon:

Im saying facts

1. Album sells across the board, in all genres are down

2. white people are the main consumers of music/albums on a global scale. We know this is true because name the african musicians in africa going diamond? name me the latin american acts in latin america going diamond? I can name numerous European acts that have gone diamond though:francis::skip:


3. a simple look at the demographics of the USA would explain everything

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I'll post it again until you get in

:patrice: fam you're over there having a debate with yourself....i'm pointing out 2 things

1) urban artists sales are practically non-existent, you won't even address this for whatever reason: nicki, chris brown, august alstina, beyonce - I know what era we are in, I know sales are down across the board, I know water is wet bruh no need to keep repeating this shyt :whoa:

2) how do we get urban artists back up to that Adele, Taylor Swift, Katy Perry level? album sales wise?
fam this was the top selling album of 1989 overall. meaning all genres of music and every artist that released:
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chris brown JUST dropped an album on a major label, why can't he do what this album did? why can't that album sell at least 5 million copies like Taylor Swift? :manny:

now whatever answer you give is fine, I'm just reminding you that this is ***ALL*** i'm asking...clearly we are in an era where an artist CAN sell 5 million albums a year, why can't one of ours?

please try and stay on topic this time :martin:
 

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I'm still trying to figure out how you compare 20 years of overall of an overall spike in Economic Activity to 100+ years of Culture?


Like how are you going to discuss Economics without actually talking about Economics :leostare:




All under the guise that an entire Race needs to be scared of a foreign White woman selling alot of records? You don't see how silly that sounds :pachaha:. Nevermind ticket sales, merchandise sales, cultural influence, global influence, YOUR influence, entrepreneurship development, and all of that huh?




Serious question. Are you a Cac sir? :jbhmm:
 

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Like :popcorn:.... hold on for a second.












Like all you're doing is posting albums from the 80s and 90s :coffee:...



And mentioning the 50 Cent albums like that shyt is normal. And you're like "yeah, Black People need to run for cover and be scared for their lives":pachaha:
 

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Until R&B comes out of the rapping styled singing, poppin bottles and taking a thot home with over the top sex references while using rappers to spit unnecessary 16's, it will continue to suck.


So if Adele is winning with meaningful songs, so be it...
 

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:patrice: fam you're over there having a debate with yourself....i'm pointing out 2 things

1) urban artists sales are practically non-existent, you won't even address this for whatever reason: nicki, chris brown, august alstina, beyonce - I know

I already explained why, a combination of downloading-streaming and age of consumers.

Which Billboard Artists Are Getting the Most Illegal Music Downloads?

Billboard Charts vs. Illegal Downloads
Our study looked at the top 10 ranked albums from the Country, Rock, Alternative, Rap, R&B, EDM, Christian, Classical, Folk, and Overall Top Albums charts. We then looked up the downloads for each of those albums on Kickass Torrents, the world’s most popular site for illegally downloading music.

We wanted to see which albums predominated in illegal downloads, but first we decided to look at how each Genre Chart performed as a whole. The results were surprising:

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As you can see, there is an enormous difference between genres. Rap and R&B dominate. The top 10 albums on the Rap Chart got illegally downloaded more than 17 times as much as those on the Country Chart. And downloads for R&B’s top 10 albums were more than those for Classical, Country, Christian, Pop, and Rock combined.

Let’s dig a little deeper into classical music… If you can find it on the chart, that is. Out of Classical’s top 10 albums, the average number of albums downloaded every day came out to a whopping… 3. This brings us to a question for the ages: who steals classical music? The final answer appears to be: 3 people a day.

In a related area, Christian music doesn’t perform quite that badly, but it’s also not exactly standing out. Feel free to attribute that to Christian values or simple lack of interest. I’ll leave it to you.

Even Rock comes in behind Alternative, Folk, and Electronic Dance Music (EDM) in terms of the overall downloads of their top 10 albums.

Folk is actually particularly interesting.

Folk has more downloads than Rock
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The top 10 Folk albums get downloaded almost 1700 times a day on average. The top Folk album in terms of downloads (Beneath the Skin – Of Monsters and Men) has been downloaded more than all but the top 2 albums in Billboard’s overall top albums chart.

Even more interestingly, Rap outperforms the top 10 albums of Billboard’s Overall Albums Chart, no matter what their genre, in both total downloads and the average downloads per day. While Rap albums do pretty well in Billboard rankings (3 of Top Overall Albums’s ten best albums are Rap), the world of illegal downloading has clearly spoken that rap dominates even more here.

Does Billboard’s Popularity Have Any Connection with Illegal Downloads?
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Billboard ranks seem to do a pretty good job representing what these illegal downloads tell us about popularity. As we see, a single album (thank Drake and Future) can certainly make a big difference, but that doesn’t change the fact that in both total download and daily downloads the album Ranked #1 doesn’t even come close to winning the most illegal downloads.

So it looks like Billboard moves on long before illegal downloaders do, they still love albums after they’re well on their way moving off the charts.

How does that play out? When we look at total downloads, we see that Drake dominates, but also albums ranked #7, #5, #9, and #4 (in that order) get downloaded illegally most often. Albums ranked #2 don’t even get 10% of downloader’s attention.

What’s worse than being #2 then? Being #2 with nobody stealing your music…

As for the daily downloads, Future’s DS2 takes the spotlight, and helps albums ranked #4 win in the “Most Illegal Downloads” category. This time, rank #8 competes with #2 for the worst spot. All this is to say, even if an album is ranked #1, you can be almost certain that it won’t be the hottest illegal download. You can’t win you ’em all…









Rock music is twice as popular as pop in America – but R&B rules streaming

US music fans consumed twice as much rock music as pop music in 2014, according to new figures – but R&B/hip-hop was the most popular genre across streaming services like Spotify, YouTube and Rdio.
Data from Nielsen Music regarding the US market last year shows that rock music claimed 29% of total consumption across album and track purchases as well as streaming platforms.


Pop was responsible 14.9% of consumption, with R&B/hip-hop taking 17.2% and dance music (‘EDM’) claiming 3.4%.


Country music took 11.2% of the overall market, with Christian/Gospel on 3.1%, Latin music on 2.6%, Holiday/Seasonal (Christmas) on 2.6% and Classical and Jazz on 1.4% each.


These percentages were calculated by dividing total track downloads into TEA (track equivalent albums) and total streams into SEA (streaming equivalent albums)* and then adding the results to the album sales tally.


Using this formula, overall annual music consumption was down year-on-year in the US by 2% to 476.5m ‘albums’ in 2014, according to Nielsen.


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It is worth pointing out that ‘Rock’ in Billboard/Nielsen’s eyes is quite a far-reaching term; in 2014, as well more straightforward Rock ‘acts’ such as AC-DC, Nickelback and The Foo Fighters, it was applied to big releases from the likes of Coldplay, alt-J, and Hozier as well as the 900k-selling Guardians Of The Galaxy soundtrack.


ALBUMS

In pure album sales terms, Rock music was hugely dominant in 2014, taking 33.2% of the market ahead of R&B/Hip-hop’s 13.9%.


Pop albums, with 10.8% of all sales, made up just a third of Rock’s sales and were even trumped even by Country music, which claimed 11.8%.


Dance music/EDM was responsible for just 2% of all album sales, behind ‘Holiday/Seasonal’ (aka Christmas albums) with 3.6% – the same share as Christian/Gospel music.


Children’s albums took a 1.5% market share, with Classical claiming 2.1%, Jazz taking 2% and Latin music taking 2.4%.


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DownloadS

Pop was even pipped by rock music in its more natural domain, the single-track download.


Rock was once again the No.1 genre here in 2014, with 21.3% of sales compared to pop’s 21.2% share.


R&B/hip-hop was a close third, with 19.1% of the market, while country claimed 12% and dance music/’EDM’ took 4.6%.


Christian/Gospel took 2.8% of the single track market, with Latin music on 1.8%, Holiday/Seasonal (Christmas) on 0.9%, Jazz on 0.6%, Classical on 0.5% and Children’s on 0.3%.


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STREAMING

Dividing US 2014 music consumption by genre in terms of streaming makes for some very interesting results: R&B/hip-hop music was the leading genre with 28.5% of all streaming consumption in the year.


Nielsen’s data takes into account streaming from AOL, Beats Music, Cricket (Muve), Google Play, Medianet, RDio, Rhapsody, Slacker, Spotify, Xbox Music and YouTube/Vevo.


Rock music was the second most popular streaming genre with 24.7% while Pop claimed 21.1%. Dance music/’EDM’ took a bigger share than any other format, with 6.8%, while Country laid claim to 6.4%.


Latin music did particularly well on streaming services, taking 5% of total consumption, compared to 1.8% of tracks and 2.4% of albums.


Christian/Gospel music took 1.6% of all streams, with Holiday/Seasonal on 1.1%. Jazz, Classical and Children’s genres all took less than 0.5% each.


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Rock music is twice as popular as pop in America - but R&B rules streaming - Music Business Worldwide
 

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Hip-Hop Is the Most Listened To Genre in the World and There's a Study To Prove It

Spotify has analyzed 20 billion tracks and has come to the conclusion that hip-hop is the most listened to genre in the world.They've created a live map that shows listening trends in over 1,000 cities across the globe and almost every specialized city playlist includes at least one hip-hop track. This may not come to a surprise to some, though, because Kendrick's To Pimp A Butterfly and Drake's If You're Reading This It's Too Late broke single day streaming records during their respective releases.

Hip Hop Is the Most Listened To Genre in the World and There's a Study To Prove It


Why Streaming Doesn’t Really Matter For Adele

The outstanding success of Adele’s single ‘Hello’ has stoked up the already eager debate around whether Adele’s forthcoming ‘25’ album is going to be a success. Indeed some are asking whether it is going to ‘save the industry’. One of the aspects that is getting a lot of attention is whether the album is going to be held back from some or all of the streaming services. The parallels with Taylor Swift’s ‘1989’ are clear, especially because both Swift and Adele are strong album artists, which is an increasingly rare commodity these days. But the similarities do not go much further. In fact the two artists have dramatically different audience profiles which is why streaming plays a very different role for Adele than it does for Swift.

Lapsed Music Buyers Were Key To the Success Of ‘21’

Adele’s ’21’ was a stand out success, selling 30 million copies globally. Core to ‘21’s commercial success was that the album touched so many people and in doing so pulled lapsed and infrequent music buyers out of the woodwork. The question is whether the feat can be repeated? In many respects it looks a tall ask. We’re 4 years on since the launch of ‘21’ and the music world has changed. Music sales revenue (downloads and CDs) have fallen by a quarter while streaming revenues have tripled. And the problem with pulling lapsed and infrequent buyers out of the woodwork is that they have receded even further 4 years on. In fact a chunk of them are gone for good as buyers.


buyer streamer overlap

But beneath the headline numbers the picture is more nuanced (see graphic). Looking at mid-year 2015 consumer data from the US we can see that music buyers (i.e. CD buyers and download buyers) are still a largely distinct group from free streamers (excluding YouTube). While this may seem counter intuitive it is in fact evidence of the twin speed music consumer landscape that is emerging. This is why ‘Hello’ was both a streaming success (the 2nd fastest Vevo video to reach 100m views) and a sales success (the first ever song to sell a million downloads in one week in the US). These are two largely distinct groups of consumers.

Streaming A Non-Issue?

As a reader of this blog you probably live much or most of your music life digitally, but for vast swathes of the population, including many music buyers, this is simply not the case. Given that the mainstream audience was so key to ‘21’s success we can make a sensible assumption that many of these will also fall into the 27% of consumers that buy music but do not stream. The implication is thus that being on streaming really is not that big of a deal for ‘25’ one way or the other. Whereas Taylor Swift’s audience is young and streams avidly, Adele’s is not. That is not to say there aren’t young Adele fans, of course there are, but they are a far smaller portion of Adele’s fan base than Swift’s.


60% of 16-24 year olds stream while just 20% buy CDs. Compare that to 40-50 year olds where 34% stream and 43% buy CDs. These are dramatically different audiences which require dramatically different strategies. Audio streaming is unlikely to be a major factor either way for Adele, neither in terms of lost sales nor revenue. Unless of course she ‘does a Jazy-Z‘ or ‘does a U2’ and takes a big fat cheque from Apple to appear exclusively on Apple Music. But I’d like to think she’d like to think she’d have the confidence of earning sales the real way.

The Importance Of The Digitally Engaged Super Fan

What unites Swift and Adele is that they are both mass market album artists and as such are something of a historical anomaly. Swift bucked the trend by making an album targeted at Digital Natives shift more than 8 million units. Adele will likely also buck the trend. But paradoxically, considering the above data, in some ways it will be a harder task for Adele. Swift has a very tightly defined, super engaged fan base that identifies itself with her. Adele’s fanbase is more amorphous and pragmatic. You don’t get ‘Adelle-ettes’. Swift was able to mobilise her fanbase into music buying action like a presidential candidate with a passionate grassroots following and big donors. The importance of digitally engaged super fans is the secret sauce of success for digital era creators. It is the exact same dynamic that ensured UK YouTuber Joe Sugg was able to leverage his fanbase to give his debut book ‘Codename Evie’ the biggest 1st week sales for graphic novel EVER in the UK this year.

If Adele and her team do pull off a sales success with ‘25’ they will owe a debt of gratitude to that 27% of consumers. While the odds are against it being quite as big as ‘21’ (simply because the market is smaller) it still has every chance of being a milestone event that will out perform everything else. But do not mistake that for this being ‘Adele saves the music industry’. Album sales are declining. Success from Taylor Swift and Adele are (welcome) throwbacks and they are most certainly not a glimpse into the future.

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what era we are in, I know sales are down across the board, I know water is wet bruh no need to keep repeating this shyt :whoa:

2) how do we get urban artists back up to that Adele, Taylor Swift, Katy Perry level? album sales wise?
fam this was the top selling album of 1989 overall. meaning all genres of music and every artist that released:
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I just explained the generational shift



chris brown JUST dropped an album on a major label, why can't he do what this album did? why can't that album sell at least 5 million copies like Taylor Swift? :manny:

he never sold that even when the climate was better

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now whatever answer you give is fine, I'm just reminding you that this is ***ALL*** i'm asking...clearly we are in an era where an artist CAN sell 5 million albums a year, why can't one of ours?

What don't you get about most people regardless of race or genre aren't selling 5 mil?:birdman:




please try and stay on topic this time :martin:

I am on topic...you're just not comprehending the facts
 
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