Africa/ns history and problem of lack of written history

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Something I spend a lot of time thinking about. Africans, or at least in the part I'm from as well everywhere surrounding, mainly orally passed on history to their progeny. But how much real history has been lost this way. There's so much I'm in the dark about because a lot of the history is unverifiable stories, rather than tangible written sources.
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Something I spend a lot of time thinking about. Africans, or at least in the part I'm from as well everywhere surrounding, mainly orally passed on history to their progeny. But how much real history has been lost this way. There's so much I'm in the dark about because a lot of the history is unverifiable stories, rather than tangible written sources.
Feel free to share relevant opinions on the issue and share any relevant articles or books to check out

I think that is most of the world's people to be honest. For example i am responding to you in the English language, but we are utilizing a "latin base alphabet", what was Northern Europe culture like prior to the "latin" influence? As far as African written history prior to Europeans, there were several regions that had a form of writing, although a few were influenced by outside sources or a borrowing of their scripts to write in their language. The main center of writing i think in Africa is Al Magreb countries, Nile Valley region North Sudan and Egypt, The horn of AFrica, Ethiopia/Eritrea/Djibouti, the Swahili Coast Kenya/Tanzania, and definitely West Africa Sahel region, and these regions encompass millions of people.
 
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For a long time, all kinds of myths and prejudices concealed the true history of Africa from the world at large. African societies were looked upon as societies that could have no history. In spite of important work done by such pioneers as Leo Frobenius, Maurice Delafosse and Arturo Labriola, as early as the first decades of this century, a great many non-African experts could not rid themselves of certain preconceptions and argued that the lack of written sources and documents made it impossible to engage in any scientific study of such societies.

Although the Iliad and Odyssey were rightly regarded as essential sources for the history of ancient Greece, African oral tradition, the collective memory of peoples which holds the thread of many events marking their lives, was rejected as worthless. In writing the history of a large part of Africa, the only sources used were from outside the continent, and the final product gave a picture not so much of the paths actually taken by the African peoples as of those that the authors thought they must have taken. Since the European Middle Ages were often used as a yardstick, modes of production, social relations and political institutions were visual- ized only by reference to the European past.

In fact, there was a refusal to see Africans as the creators of original cultures which flowered and survived over the centuries in patterns of their own making and which historians are unable to grasp unless they forgo their prejudices and rethink their approach.

Furthermore, the continent of Africa was hardly ever looked upon as a historical entity. On the contrary, emphasis was laid on everything likely to lend credence to the idea that a split had existed, from time immemorial, between a 'white Africa' and a 'black Africa', each unaware of the other's existence. The Sahara was often presented as an impenetrable space pre- venting any intermingling of ethnic groups and peoples or any exchange of goods, beliefs, customs and ideas between the societies that had grown up on either side of the desert. Hermetic frontiers were drawn between the civilizations of Ancient Egypt and Nubia and those of the peoples south of the Sahara.

It is true that the history of Africa north of the Sahara has been more closely linked with that of the Mediterranean basin than has the history of sub-Saharan Africa, but it is now widely recognized that the various civilizations of the African continent, for all their differing languages and cultures, represent, to a greater or lesser degree, the historical offshoots of a set of peoples and societies united by bonds centuries old.

Another phenomenon which did great disservice to the objective study of the African past was the appearance, with the slave trade and colonization, of racial stereotypes which bred contempt and lack of understanding and became so deep-rooted that they distorted even the basic concepts of historiography. From the time when the notions of 'white' and 'black' were used as generic labels by the colonialists, who were regarded as superior, the colonized Africans had to struggle against both economic and psychological enslavement. Africans were identifiable by the colour of their skin, they had become a kind of merchandise, they were earmarked for hard labour and eventually, in the minds of those dominating them, they came to symbolize an imaginary and allegedly inferior Negro race. This pattern of spurious identification relegated the history of the African peoples in many minds to the rank of ethno-history, in which appreciation of the historical and cultural facts was bound to be warped.

The situation has changed significantly since the end of the Second World War and in particular since the African countries became independent and began to take an active part in the life of the international community and in the mutual exchanges that are its raison d'être. A n increasing number of historians has endeavoured to tackle the study of Africa with a more rigorous, objective and open-minded outlook by using - with all due precautions - actual African sources. In exercising their right to take the historical initiative, Africans themselves have felt a deep-seated need to re-establish the historical authenticity of their societies on solid foundations.

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On the so-called ''problems'' of studying African history :wow:
 

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Something I spend a lot of time thinking about. Africans, or at least in the part I'm from as well everywhere surrounding, mainly orally passed on history to their progeny. But how much real history has been lost this way. There's so much I'm in the dark about because a lot of the history is unverifiable stories, rather than tangible written sources.
Feel free to share relevant opinions on the issue and share any relevant articles or books to check out

Which part of Africa does your family hail from OP?
 

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Which part of Africa does your family hail from OP?
East and central africa.
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Thanks for posting that link, will give it a good read tonight when im home.
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Something I spend a lot of time thinking about is the real origins of Tutsi people of rwanda. There is so much i will never know coz so much of our history is oral.
 

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Was planning on posting something about "writing" in the west African Sahel thread after my constant search for evidence of a script or scripts in SSA, but here it goes.

I was curious if anyone was familiar with pictographs of west Africa or southern Africa, so I started trying to do some digging for what was there before the modern scripts and where some of the symbols might have originated.

I came across Nsidibi often, for example (I'm looking deeper into Vai, and other scripts. Bogonlanfi is also something I'm looking into as well.)

Anyway, I personally think that Africans have had long-range ways to communicate (pictographs, petroglyphs, logograms) or Syllabaries usually maintained to the utmost in secret societies. I'm wondering myself how much of a hold the secret societies and elites controlled writing and how widespread it was in communities they controlled. There are things in the Sahel: stone markings, warnings, signs, spells, or traded items, that would have shown that the SSA Africans had some knowledge of what scripts could do and its benefits.

Ultimately, I don't buy that they couldn't make scripts of their own; the knowledge and materials it was recorded on (Stones, trees, pottery, jewelry, clothing) probably just couldn't survive the test of time without largely fading. The history is there, and who knows what's buried in the sand, or lies as a shard or rock when it could be more.

Southern African rock art
 

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Something I spend a lot of time thinking about. Africans, or at least in the part I'm from as well everywhere surrounding, mainly orally passed on history to their progeny. But how much real history has been lost this way. There's so much I'm in the dark about because a lot of the history is unverifiable stories, rather than tangible written sources.
Feel free to share relevant opinions on the issue and share any relevant articles or books to check out

Right here shows (no offense) how we are all victims of the western-centric idea that only something written is tangible and valuable.

Oral history was just as valid as written history, for the simple reason that especially in tribes or whatever, "word is bond" actually meant something. And oral history is not "just" oral history, it's alos a direct link between who is telling the history and who is hearing it : hence the different link there is (was) between elders and young people in Africa as opposed to in Europe for example. And the special position played by a griot and by whoever was in charge of transmitting history.

That being said, written history exists in Africa too as brehs have posted.
 

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A part of me feels that this discourse over oral history in the African context is increasingly irrelevant in modern African society. Sure, it may be of interest to scholars at Makerere and Cape Town University - but I feel we are dwelling on it too much.
 

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I think that is most of the world's people to be honest. For example i am responding to you in the English language, but we are utilizing a "latin base alphabet", what was Northern Europe culture like prior to the "latin" influence? As far as African written history prior to Europeans, there were several regions that had a form of writing, although a few were influenced by outside sources or a borrowing of their scripts to write in their language. The main center of writing i think in Africa is Al Magreb countries, Nile Valley region North Sudan and Egypt, The horn of AFrica, Ethiopia/Eritrea/Djibouti, the Swahili Coast Kenya/Tanzania, and definitely West Africa Sahel region, and these regions encompass millions of people.

What is even stranger is that you responded to him in English using Latin alphabet; which many believe is from the Greek Alphabet. Many believe that the Greek alphabet and Phoenician writings are from the Egyptian hieroglyphs.

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A part of me feels that this discourse over oral history in the African context is increasingly irrelevant in modern African society. Sure, it may be of interest to scholars at Makerere and Cape Town University - but I feel we are dwelling on it too much.
HOW can it be irrelevant? You guys on this forum are always discussing stuff like the Atlantic slave thread and there's always threads about genealogy and origin. What you might take for granted is the sheer volume of written history African Americans, for example, can draw back on! My point in the OP was that people from my part of Africa, and I did specify this in the OP, have a comparative dearth of evidence to draw back on, so we have to rely on a lot of stories about important issues such as where our people originally came from, as well as historical reasons for all the fractiousness in Western Uganda, Northern Rwanda, and Eastern Congo. To name a few.
One good example I will highlight: a lot of the older generation of rwandese still talk about how parts of east Congo belong to Rwanda due to pre colonial empire, but there's very little infor to draw on that can expand on this in a clear and much more compelling manner than stories passed down over generations that we cant be sure haven't been subject to change or embellishment!
 

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HOW can it be irrelevant? You guys on this forum are always discussing stuff like the Atlantic slave thread and there's always threads about genealogy and origin. What you might take for granted is the sheer volume of written history African Americans, for example, can draw back on! My point in the OP was that people from my part of Africa, and I did specify this in the OP, have a comparative dearth of evidence to draw back on, so we have to rely on a lot of stories about important issues such as where our people originally came from, as well as historical reasons for all the fractiousness in Western Uganda, Northern Rwanda, and Eastern Congo. To name a few.
One good example I will highlight: a lot of the older generation of rwandese still talk about how parts of east Congo belong to Rwanda due to pre colonial empire, but there's very little infor to draw on that can expand on this in a clear and much more compelling manner than stories passed down over generations that we cant be sure haven't been subject to change or embellishment!

I'm not surprised to hear that there's now talk of a "Greater Rwanda", presumably over the Kivus. The Rwandan Kingdom didn't stretch out into the Kivus though Tutsis and Hutus migrated there for political reasons/economic reasons (search for grazing lands). Note that the majority of Rwandan migrants to what is now the Congo occurred during Belgian rule.

Your example in the last paragraph points to the danger of an oral story. It can fuel a sort of Rwandan revanchism into the Eastern Congo - again.
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