aight, bruhs. quik or the rza. who the better producer to you?

[360dagod]

Again you are comparing your local burger joint to franchises like Burger King and McDonald's...

Nobody has heard of Tommy's Burger in Zimbabwe, but you are damn sure going to find people who have heard of McDonald's...Therefore, your personal taste is NOT congruent with reality...


Ain't NOBODY who calls themselves a "Hip Hop Head" listening to Mannie Fresh today in the USA, and even less people outside the USA...


How do you perceive this so called impact that Mannie Fresh had, because I don't hear it...Lex Luger had a FAR MUCH GREATER impact than Mannie Fresh...You are hearing the Lex Luger sound GLOBALLY...

Even in the Democratic Republic of Congo, their current version of "Hip Hop" has a Lex Luger influence in it...

Mannie Fresh just didn't have this kind of impact...He was a local guy that got hot...His sound never moved outside New Orleans...There is VERY BIG difference between outsiders like you sound, and outsider liking your sound adopting it and pushing it to new boundaries (like everybody is doing with Lex Luger's sound)...

How many popular (and this the key word) French, British, Russian and etc rappers EVER rapped over Mannie Fresh sounding beats? How many producers in the USA blew up making beats that can be mistaken for Mannie Fresh?

I like Mannie Fresh (he wasted his beats on WACK rappers) but I HEAVILY fcuk with songs like "Back that ass up" "Ha" "We on fire" "Get Your Roll On" and others...They were hot, but no other producers picked up on his style and tried to push it further...

If you don't think so, give me some examples so I can be educated...Name producers we became EXTREMELY successful biting Mannie Fresh?

the triple timed 808s and syncopated drum patterns


The reason why other producers couldn't pick up on what Fresh was doing was because he was basically doing hip hop outside standard 4/4 timing while cranking out beats with an sp 1200 and 80s keyboards that you really had to understand musical engineering to get quality sound out of

we are talking about a timeframe when you actually had to really know how to "freak"your hardware

What Fresh was doing with limited equipment was masterful...And it was ahead of its time..From bringing in bass players to adding real life brass instruments etc..

Its like comparing the erea when A DJ who had to bring all the crates to the party to djs who have serato....

Mannie Fresh's DNA is solidified in southern music breh...

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

the triple timed 808s and syncopated drum patterns


The reason why other producers couldn't pick up on what Fresh was doing was because he was basically doing hip hop outside standard 4/4 timing while cranking out beats with an sp 1200 and 80s keyboards that you really had to understand musical engineering to get quality sound out of

we are talking about a timeframe when you actually had to really know how to "freak"your hardware

What Fresh was doing with limited equipment was masterful...And it was ahead of its time..From bringing in bass players to adding real life brass instruments etc..

Its like comparing the erea when A DJ who had to bring all the crates to the party to djs who have serato....

Mannie Fresh's DNA is solidified in southern music breh...

His DNA is solidified in 2000s Hip Hop period. He influenced hella producers on the West Coast, any nikka out here in the West can tell you Cash Money ran them California airwaves well into the mid 2000s and that was off the strength of Mannie's production. He influenced hella East Coast producers as well whether nikkas want to admit it or not, THE NEPTUNES are obviously influenced by him among others.

 

[Mr.Logic]

Mannie Fresh's sound (and the biters of that sound) literally ran the radio between 1999 and 2003. It wasn't until Kanye and Dipset popped on the scene in 03/04 that soul samples became the next thing which is what opened the market up for Havoc to have a resurgence. At what point did Havoc's sound EVER have that level of dominance and influence? Lol stop.

You TRIPPING...Pharrell is HEAVILY influenced by James Brown and he was working with his style from way back...
Lil Jon had slower 808 heavy sound that was NOTHING like Mannie Fresh's fast BOUNCY sound...Mannie's style was good for the Hot Boys and Nelly but NO ONE else picked it up...His sound is pretty unique...You won't hear a beat like "we on fire" and "ha" anywhere...I don't think anybody could reproduce it even if they tried...I give Mannie props for that...But he WASTED his talent on EXTREMELY wack rappers...

I guess you never heard these songs that were made in 97-98 by the Neptunes...

 

[360dagod]

dj quik and the rza are two different producers..

i prefer the rza because i love the dusty sound

 

[Mr.Logic]

the triple timed 808s and syncopated drum patterns


The reason why other producers couldn't pick up on what Fresh was doing was because he was basically doing hip hop outside standard 4/4 timing while cranking out beats with an sp 1200 and 80s keyboards that you really had to understand musical engineering to get quality sound out of

we are talking about a timeframe when you actually had to really know how to "freak"your hardware

What Fresh was doing with limited equipment was masterful...And it was ahead of its time..From bringing in bass players to adding real life brass instruments etc..

Its like comparing the erea when A DJ who had to bring all the crates to the party to djs who have serato....

Mannie Fresh's DNA is solidified in southern music breh...

All that doesn't matter...Mannie's sound remained with WACK Cash Money rappers...You guys are giving him MORE credit than he deserves...

He had a SUPER unique sound...No doubt...But it never really spread, maybe because it couldn't really be duplicated...

Plus no other CREDIBLE rappers were lining up to get a Mannie Fresh beat...

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

All that doesn't matter...Mannie's sound remained with WACK Cash Money rappers...You guys are giving him MORE credit than he deserves...

He had a SUPER unique sound...No doubt...But it never really spread, maybe because it couldn't really be duplicated...

Plus no other CREDIBLE rappers were lining up to get a Mannie Fresh beat...

This is that East Coast bias talking. Lil Wayne whether you like it or not was THE rapper of the 2000's period. He birthed literally 100s of the rappers that are out right now (maybe all of them)... he's not credible from a Hip Hop purist point of view but Hip Hop purists never defined the evolution of the music in the first place.

And even if you hate Wayne, Juvenile's a dope rapper. What was wack about 400 Degreez exactly?

 

[NYC Warrior]

you already know my choice....

 

[360dagod]

All that doesn't matter...Mannie's sound remained with WACK Cash Money rappers...You guys are giving him MORE credit than he deserves...

He had a SUPER unique sound...No doubt...But it never really spread, maybe because it couldn't really be duplicated...

Plus no other CREDIBLE rappers were lining up to get a Mannie Fresh beat...

They actually were, but wanted everything in house

I dont get how a producer who was one of the backbones of southern rap music gets dismissed for being too creative...

it would be like hating on dj paul/juicy j for the same reason..

 

[FeloniousMonk]

THE NEPTUNES are obviously influenced by him among others.

Sorry my dude, this false.

And if you wanna get down to it.

Mannies music is influenced by Timbaland if anything.

 

[360dagod]

Sorry my dude, this false.

And if you wanna get down to it.

Mannies music is influenced by Timbaland if anything.

Mantronix is your answer

 

[FeloniousMonk]

Mantronix is your answer

Daam its some old ass mofos on this site....

 

[vaudevillevillain]

DJ Quik and it's not even close musically

impact, RZA

Wouldn't quick have a bigger impact if he was fukkin w Ezra musically? Not sure I'm understanding

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

His DNA is solidified in 2000s Hip Hop period. He influenced hella producers on the West Coast, any nikka out here in the West can tell you Cash Money ran them California airwaves well into the mid 2000s and that was off the strength of Mannie's production. He influenced hella East Coast producers as well whether nikkas want to admit it or not, THE NEPTUNES are obviously influenced by him among others.

I was with you until this part.

 

[rdot]

I'm from the west so you know who I'm Rollin with...