aight, bruhs. quik or the rza. who the better producer to you?
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influence doesnt make his music sound any different
his beats arent very good apart from a few great ones
quik's concsistently amazing, you wouldn't know though because you've never heard an album by him
If we are going to make this about personal taste, then there is NO point in arguing...I prefer a "dirtier" sound compared to a "clean" sound...
If we want to have an actual debate we CANNOT ignore RZA's impact....
The Wu Tang Clan is a PILLAR in Hip Hop music...You can't talk the history of Hip Hop without RZA...Quik on the other hand can be ignored...Dr Dre is the PILLAR from the West Coast...
Kyle C. Barker
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yeah he doesn't make the quality he used to BUT when he was in in his prime
quick is dope but imo not even in my top 5, and quick is very talented behind the boards. some cats dont like that raw east coast sound so i already know the flame wars are about to take place. op abour to start some shyt
edit: i was just listening to some tical yesterday too and feeling the same way i did way back in 94
god some of those beats on tical were out there.
I can't even count how many times I use to smoke to that album
Kyle C. Barker
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FruitOfTheVale
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Pot, meet kettle
Talk about "local heroes" and name one of the most recognizable producers in the genre brehs. Get all the way the fukk out of here
You are right that Quik's production style does not produce as many bangers per say as some of the other dudes you mentioned. His musicality is top shelf though and you've failed to acknowledge that.And trying to big up Havoc over dudes like Madlib when half of your argument for RZA over Quik is "take him away and Hip Hop would never be the same" and etc. is intellectually dishonest. Havoc does a number of things better than Madlib and has had more commercial success to a certain degree but Havoc never changed the game the way that Madlib did in the early and mid 2000's. You fail to acknowledge the same being true when talking about Quik and RZA.
What's more your whole idea of "local" seems colored more than a little bit by East Coast bias. Here's a question for you, who's the more "local" producer and conversely which producer had a bigger impact on the game, Mannie Fresh or Havoc? The answer seems obvious to me
No...At least I am posting my opinion and making arguments to defend them...Therefore, you have the chance to pick my argument apart...How am I suppose to argument against a GIF with no opinion? That is a HUGE difference in intellectual maturity...
Madlib is NOT recognizable...But if you believe he is, then we have different definitions of "recognizable"...
I am not failing to acknowledge anything...I acknowledged that if you like the "clean sound" then I can't fault your personal preference for Quik...I don't believe that DJ Quik is the great musician that you may think he is...
Dude, again, stop overestimating your personal opinion when we are discussing GENERALITIES...Havoc has a bigger footprint than Madlib...Listen to 90s style Hip Hop from Canada, France, the UK, Germany, Russia and etc...
The beats are Havoc influenced...The rhymes are Prodigy influenced...Mobb Deep, Wu Tang, Nas and Gangstarr DEFINED New York Hip Hop...
This is a RZA vs DJ Quik discussion....But to answer your question, I will go with Havoc over Mannie Fresh...I have been outside North America, and nobody knows who Mannie Fresh is, nobody tried to make beats like him...
Mannie Fresh is like the dudes who produced for Nelly's first album...It is was a fresh sound and people gravitated towards it, but were is it today?
Compare that to Havoc, even today, people who call themselves "real hip hop heads" are HEAVILY influenced by Havoc's sound...That clicking vinyl sound is a SIGNATURE "real hip hop" sound...
I don't hear Mannie Fresh today...Who copied Mannie Fresh and pushed his sound to a new level? NO ONE...
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its true though, as good as they are you simply cannot compare
FruitOfTheVale
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Listen to the contemporary underground producers coming out of Europe or Japan or out of the USA... ALL OF THEM are clearly influenced by Madlib from FlyLo to L'Orange to Thelonious Martin and even some of the existing juggernauts like The Alchemist. Madlib is all but worshipped by his peers, he defined the underground sound of the 2000's.
Speak for yourself, especially with some shyt as myopic as that lol. Mannie Fresh defined a generation of Hip Hop listeners via Cash Money with a reach that far outstripped Havoc's with Mobb Deep. Your whole premise that Mannie Fresh had less impact overseas than Havoc
The only reason you even bother to bring it up is because you already know that Manny Fresh's impact in the USA is WAAAAAAAAY deeper than Havoc's.
Again you are comparing your local burger joint to franchises like Burger King and McDonald's...
Nobody has heard of Tommy's Burger in Zimbabwe, but you are damn sure going to find people who have heard of McDonald's...Therefore, your personal taste is NOT congruent with reality...
Ain't NOBODY who calls themselves a "Hip Hop Head" listening to Mannie Fresh today in the USA, and even less people outside the USA...
How do you perceive this so called impact that Mannie Fresh had, because I don't hear it...Lex Luger had a FAR MUCH GREATER impact than Mannie Fresh...You are hearing the Lex Luger sound GLOBALLY...Your whole premise that Mannie Fresh had less impact overseas than Havoc
Even in the Democratic Republic of Congo, their current version of "Hip Hop" has a Lex Luger influence in it...
Mannie Fresh just didn't have this kind of impact...He was a local guy that got hot...His sound never moved outside New Orleans...There is VERY BIG difference between outsiders like you sound, and outsider liking your sound adopting it and pushing it to new boundaries (like everybody is doing with Lex Luger's sound)...
How many popular (and this the key word) French, British, Russian and etc rappers EVER rapped over Mannie Fresh sounding beats? How many producers in the USA blew up making beats that can be mistaken for Mannie Fresh?
I like Mannie Fresh (he wasted his beats on WACK rappers) but I HEAVILY fcuk with songs like "Back that ass up" "Ha" "We on fire" "Get Your Roll On" and others...They were hot, but no other producers picked up on his style and tried to push it further...
If you don't think so, give me some examples so I can be educated...Name producers we became EXTREMELY successful biting Mannie Fresh?
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Quik easily. RZA had his moment but hasn't done anything noteworthy in like 15 years at least. Quik never fell off.
FruitOfTheVale
Superstar
Havoc ain't Mickey Ds in this comparison either
Mannie Fresh is a precursor to crunk which is a precursor to trap (i.e. Lex Luger).
Mannie Fresh's sound (and the biters of that sound) literally ran the radio between 1999 and 2003. It wasn't until Kanye and Dipset popped on the scene in 03/04 that soul samples became the next thing which is what opened the market up for Havoc to have a resurgence.
At what point did Havoc's sound EVER have that level of dominance and influence? Lol stop.
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FruitOfTheVale
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The bounce on this sounds rather New Orleans to me
How coincidental that this dropped in 2001... I wonder who coined this sound in the USA in this exact time frame
