Ain’t none of Kanye’s sons surpassed him

[Formerly Black Trash]

Kanye admittedly has said that his drums are his achilles heel, so I'll give you that. But, it's not like Kanye hasn't had other producers work on drums for him. As for voice, Drake sounding hard (pause) always sound odd, even though I think IYRTITL and NWTS were both his best work, like that was around the time he was trying real hard to be a one-man Migos and try to take Meek's screeching. The melodically pleasing part, I don't know if Drake could do something like Two Words, Drive Slow and some of Kanye's flow stunt tracks. shyt I think Ye's verses in Gorgeous body anything Drake has ever made.

As for the last point, I could see how you got to that point. I disagree, but it's understandable that around MBDTF (a classic) he did change his sound to something more poppish. But, on the other note Drake hasn't made hip-hop since IFRTITL, and pretty much hasn't had a hip-hop hit since he dropped Miller. Kanye was still spitting.

At the end of the day, we gonna disagree with each other. But, I understand your points, even if I don't agree.

These nikkas insane bruh

Melodically it’s more pleasing GTFO

 

[XannyWarbucks]

These nikkas insane bruh

Melodically it’s more pleasing GTFO

It's w.e. that's homies opinion. shyt ain't going to change. I'm not going to lie, didn't really know how to respond to that, but it is what it is. I don't think Know Yourself was nothing but a decent hit to bump. shyt wasn't life-changing or anything though. At the end of the day, we talking about lasting longevity, and I think Kanye is going to be remembered a lot more than anyone else in the the 2000's.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

It's w.e. that's homies opinion. shyt ain't going to change. I'm not going to lie, didn't really know how to respond to that, but it is what it is. I don't think Know Yourself was nothing but a decent hit to bump. shyt wasn't life-changing or anything though. At the end of the day, we talking about lasting longevity, and I think Kanye is going to be remembered a lot more than anyone else in the the 2000's.

But...who says some shyt like that in regards to music?!

 

[who killin it?]

"Know Yourself" is the typical shallow Drake introspection. shyt is basically another Started from the Bottom, but not as good. Just because you like yelling "RUNNING THROUGH THE SIX WITH MY WOES" to the mirror, doesn't make it a classic. And yes, if you're going to bring up how Family Business and Real Friends are sequels, we're bringing in Drake's narratives.

shyt is the typical cop-out answer. In regards to what, exactly? I don't read Rolling Stone and haven't followed rap blogs in years, yet you calling Know Yourself better than any of Kanye's music is some 2009- blog hot-take. Especially with the "oh, I don't care about media hype or narrative." Like Drake doesn't have clout.

Cause out of every song it was the only one you named. "Never Let Me Down", "Jesus Walks", "Slow Jamz," "Two Words" and "Through the Wire" bang just as well. And if anything, you saying that Real Friends is a sequel or successor, compliments Kanye's discography, because you're saying his discography is so deep that he could respond to a song he made 12 years before.

I like Drake, but he's not near Kanye at all.

No lies told.

The fact is, none of these artists have surpassed Ye’s CD to MBDTF run... and it’s not even debateable.

Ye’s discog is better, his hooks better, better melodies, better production, bigger hits, better subject matter, more interesting verses, more cohesive projects.

The biggest problem with Kanye’s discography was the amount of forced and corny bars... but most of his clones like Drake are guilty of that.

It really boils down to Ye haters being insecure.

So if any of his sons have dropped anything worth talking about since November 2008 they have surpassed him creatively.

what kind of reasoning is that

this is like saying Weeknd surpassed MJ creatively.

We talking about whole bodies of work breh. And naw, none of these cats have dropped a better project than MBDTF since.

 

[SirBiatch]

Kanye admittedly has said that his drums are his achilles heel, so I'll give you that. But, it's not like Kanye hasn't had other producers work on drums for him. As for voice, Drake sounding hard (pause) always sound odd, even though I think IYRTITL and NWTS were both his best work, like that was around the time he was trying real hard to be a one-man Migos and try to take Meek's screeching.

I agree. Drake was trying to be hard from almost the get-go, and his voice wasn't there yet. Which is why it sounded goofy and I used to clown Drake heavy for it. Then he suddenly started getting better the moment "Started From the Bottom" came out and kept leveling up. From NWTS to WATTBA is when he dropped his best hip hop work.

The melodically pleasing part, I don't know if Drake could do something like Two Words, Drive Slow and some of Kanye's flow stunt tracks. shyt I think Ye's verses in Gorgeous body anything Drake has ever made.

nah

As for the last point, I could see how you got to that point. I disagree, but it's understandable that around MBDTF (a classic) he did change his sound to something more poppish. But, on the other note Drake hasn't made hip-hop since IFRTITL, and pretty much hasn't had a hip-hop hit since he dropped Miller. Kanye was still spitting.

Kanye has always been pop, breh. He was pop right out the gate. So was Drake.

Since IYRTITL? Nah. Drake made hip hop on WATTBA. "Jumpman" was a huge hip hop hit. KMT from last year was a decent hit. "Sneakin" is one of his hardest joints ever and that was also last year. "For Free" still gets play from the year prior.

He's made less hip hop since WATTBA but he has made some shyt occasionally.

At the end of the day, we gonna disagree with each other. But, I understand your points, even if I don't agree.

I respect that, and likewise

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

I don't think Graduation is classic either, (Barry Bonds is fukking trash and so it The Glory, so trash that they bring the album down) but it does have cultural significance. shyt took Fif down, even if Fif had a lot to do with him falling off, Graduation was doper than Curtis. Glow In The Dark Tour and that stadium sound was different from what anyone else was doing at the time. Plus, shyt is the end of the "sane" Kanye.

Agreed

Graduation makes a better argument for CLASSIC than any kendrick album.

 

[XannyWarbucks]

Graduation makes a better argument for CLASSIC than any kendrick album.

I don't think Kendrick has any classics, anyway. Think he got dope albums, but I wouldn't call any of them classics. Closest is probably GKMC (those 2003-2005 callbacks he was making ) and even then, I don't consider it classic; just the best album, around the time it came out.