Piff Perkins
Veteran
Top ten of all time and when you look at the way all the guys ahead of him fell off a cliff in later years....he looks even better.
Alchemist has consistently improved his craft over the years more than any producer in Hip-Hop history.
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Uncle Al is the whole truth.
Your comment on sampling made me think about this old Twitter thread a came across a couple of months ago talking about DJ Paul. Scroll through that joint. It’s dope
Easily the best of this era, where he fits all time is an interesting conversation to be had
Heavy_Handz
Superstar
I agree. Dude just has stayed on the grind for so long.
Bugzbunny129
All Star
He was hotter back in the day imo
He follows the madlib/.ug producer blueprint too much for my taste. Changed his whole style to that. His full produced albums are straight hit and miss.and way more miss imo. Like lopsided misses to hits.
Hes good for that perfect track every few songs. But not on repeat 20x a whole album. And that means something. To me anyway. His work with roc marci amd mobb deep is the real a tier al stuff.
He follows the madlib/.ug producer blueprint too much for my taste. Changed his whole style to that. His full produced albums are straight hit and miss.and way more miss imo. Like lopsided misses to hits.
Hes good for that perfect track every few songs. But not on repeat 20x a whole album. And that means something. To me anyway. His work with roc marci amd mobb deep is the real a tier al stuff.
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Heavy_Handz
Superstar
Exactly
I agree that he's probably the most consistent, and I rank him quite high myself - but saying he hasn't reached the peaks of a Dre or Rza or Premo (or Hav etc) is a bit of an understatement imo.
As dope as his body of work is, he hasn't come close to the best of some of the top tier production works of Hip-Hop. Especially if we're counting full albums.
Consistency does count, a lot - but so does quality, and imo he just hasn't produced albums dope enough as some of the greats for me to put him over them
An example: he's responsible for some great Prodigy albums, who is my #3 goat - but then if you compare those to what Hav did, it's a different level.
As dope as his body of work is, he hasn't come close to the best of some of the top tier production works of Hip-Hop. Especially if we're counting full albums.
Consistency does count, a lot - but so does quality, and imo he just hasn't produced albums dope enough as some of the greats for me to put him over them
An example: he's responsible for some great Prodigy albums, who is my #3 goat - but then if you compare those to what Hav did, it's a different level.
Bugzbunny129
All Star
This is saying what i wanted to better than i didI agree that he's probably the most consistent, and I rank him quite high myself - but saying he hasn't reached the peaks of a Dre or Rza or Premo (or Hav etc) is a bit of an understatement imo.
As dope as his body of work is, he hasn't come close to the best of some of the top tier production works of Hip-Hop. Especially if we're counting full albums.
Consistency does count, a lot - but so does quality, and imo he just hasn't produced albums dope enough as some of the greats for me to put him over them
An example: he's responsible for some great Prodigy albums, who is my #3 goat - but then if you compare those to what Hav did, it's a different level.
Thats exactky what i mean. He had the great mobb single every year. And i like return of the mac, prolly his best full production.
But yea. His full albums are weak guys cmon now lmao
Heavy_Handz
Superstar
It wasn’t meant to be an understatement. It was meant to be facts. His highs aren’t of those legends but he also has only improved his craft and never fallen off like RZAI agree that he's probably the most consistent, and I rank him quite high myself - but saying he hasn't reached the peaks of a Dre or Rza or Premo (or Hav etc) is a bit of an understatement imo.
As dope as his body of work is, he hasn't come close to the best of some of the top tier production works of Hip-Hop. Especially if we're counting full albums.
Consistency does count, a lot - but so does quality, and imo he just hasn't produced albums dope enough as some of the greats for me to put him over them
An example: he's responsible for some great Prodigy albums, who is my #3 goat - but then if you compare those to what Hav did, it's a different level.
Did Roc Marci write Alchemist verse?
Heavy_Handz
Superstar
Alchemist makes consistent bangers. He doesn’t have classic albums like Gang Starr or the work RZA did with Wu-Tang obviously. What he has though is amazing production that he continues to put out while the other legends have completely lost touch or slowed down considerably.
Bugzbunny129
All Star
Ill take a rza fall off album like 8d over 90% of als full albums. Easily. Everytime.It wasn’t meant to be an understatement. It was meant to be facts. His highs aren’t of those legends but he also has only improved his craft and never fallen off like RZA
Uncle Al is the whole truth.
Your comment on sampling made me think about this old Twitter thread a came across a couple of months ago talking about DJ Paul. Scroll through that joint. It’s dope
That tweet thread
Black Ball
Superstar
Name some full produced albums that you would consider a miss for Al?
To me, that is dudes strength. Putting together a full album and providing that emotional range from beginning to end. I prefer that over producers who mainly just try to produce singles. Album cuts and bangers is the mark for me. Singles generally are for casual fans.
This is exactly why/how he's slid into the 3rd spot for my top 5 producers (Dilla, Madlib, Al, RZA, Premo)His peak isn’t on the level of Dr. Dre, DJ Premier, Pete Rock or RZA but his ability to continue, going on 25+ years, to pump out high quality beats is unmatched because I can’t think of any Producer ever who has this level of high quality work so late into a career. His production on this Larry June project is remarkable.
Salute.
