Alchemist Top 5 DOA Producer

[DillaTUDE]

I really thought you knew better, friend, seing that you're a huge J Dilla fan, as am i.
My top 2 are Alchemist and J Dilla.
I can't really choose a number one.
But to answer your question more thoroughly, i can post examples that people make those kinds of videos for his beats


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Who can chop shyt up like this?

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Did you see the new Amp Fiddler interview where he talks about Dilla and plays stems from his beats?

I love Alc, but as dude said, at times it's real hard to distinguish the difference between his song and the original song he samples.

For example, the song "No Idea's Original" sounds exactly the same as the song he sampled:


I feel the same way about the sample he used for "We Gonna Make It" as well, despite it being a legendary beat.

That's the difference between Dilla and The Alchemist. Even when Dilla sampled popular songs (e.g. Don Blackman's "Holding You, Loving You" for "Go Ladies") he completely reconstructed the sample. It's why his beat is so superior to the other songs that sampled the same song:




You can't tell me that those producers flipped (and filtered) that sample better than Dilla did, but I can count a number of times when I've heard producers flip the samples as The Alchemist but do it way better (e.g. Just Blaze "Soon You'll Understand" > The Alchemist's "Hold You Down").

And do you have the link to that interview?

 

[Tetris v2.0]

You have to look at their whole skillset and body of work. Dilla and Madlib are GOATs to me, but they also have a lot of straight loops. But they also have sampled from a variety of sources, made beats with just keyboards and instrumentation etc. Same with Al, who you can tell is heavily influenced by Madlib in recent years. Al has a lot of loops, but also has some sampled beats that used synths that he recorded, as the source. He isn't limited to a certain tempo and aesthetic, like certain prolific golden-age producers that apparently I'm not allowed to mention ...

But his body of work doesn't hold up to theirs, which I agree with. He has shown more versatility though, and consistency over the years

 

[TheSickness]

I love Alc, but as dude said, at times it's real hard to distinguish the difference between his song and the original song he samples.

For example, the song "No Idea's Original" sounds exactly the same as the song he sampled:


I feel the same way about the sample he used for "We Gonna Make It" as well, despite it being a legendary beat.

That's the difference between Dilla and The Alchemist. Even when Dilla sampled popular songs (e.g. Don Blackman's "Holding You, Loving You" for "Go Ladies") he completely reconstructed the sample. It's why his beat is so superior to the other songs that sampled the same song:




You can't tell me that those producers flipped (and filtered) that sample better than Dilla did, but I can count a number of times when I've heard producers flip the samples as The Alchemist but do it way better (e.g. Just Blaze "Soon You'll Understand" > The Alchemist's "Hold You Down").

And do you have the link to that interview?

Breh, Just Blaze himself said that Alchemist did it better.

 

[Mr.Logic]

Now that you put it that way, I definitely see where you're coming from... He's mastered finding and sampling 'obscure' songs (or just sounds in general), but you won't find videos like this of any of his songs because he doesn't really do anything creative to the sample once he gets it:











^^^To be able to do the above requires a level of genius that few producers truly possess.

If you don't mind me asking, who do you believe to be the best hip-hop producer?

This is exactly how I personally judge samplers (1) do I like the beat? (2) how easy is it to recognize the sample?

I also believe if the original musicians want publishing, they should be made to listen to the rap beat and point out were the sample came from, if they can't even recognize the song they composed, then it is a totally new song, and they probably shouldn't get any publishing rights, only a credit that states where the sample was taken from...

 

[SirBiatch]

Nah, just a low tolerance for inflammatory, attention seeking posting. All good breh

Aka you're mad

Exposed your weak taste so you have no choice but to cry "TROLLING!" even when you've got responses in detail

 

[TheDarceKnight]

but the main difference is that all those other producers have also been associated with certified Hip Hop classics as well while in their prime.

as much as i'm a fan of ALC's sound, that's the one element missing for me to put him on that echelon of producers. Even Just Blaze was an intricate part of making the Blueprint a classic. You could argue ALC's work with Mobb Deep but 1: he didn't really have his sound yet and 2. he didn't really contribute to their greatest work.

I can understand that argument. I wouldn't argue too strongly against it. My feeling on it is that the 18 year run of consistency, of never really having a dip in career, and only improving with time, makes me lean towards putting Alc in my top 10. For a while he was the only producer making good music with certain artists, and he had the best beats on a lot of projects as a hired gun.

His best fully produced projects aren't quite classics in the way that Moment of Truth or Liquid Swords are classics, but he's got some projects that are almost classics. Also, he's only been doing full projects for people for basically 5 years. I think he'll deliver on a classic or two when it's said and done. That combined with a solid 18 year run (20 years or so if you count the ghost production he did for Cypress Hill) and I think that makes up for it. Premier is the GOAT IMO but he hasn't had some dips in his career. Nothing wrong with that. Most people do.

Alc and Madlib have both been my personal favorite producers for a while now, and objectively I don't think I'd put Alc in a top 5 "best" list just yet, but I'd put him in a top 10, I think. My top 5 "best" producers would be Preem, Pete, RZA, Dre, and Dilla. My top 5 "favorites" would probably be Madlib, Alchemist, Preem, RZA, and Havoc. Most underrated would be Just Blaze, Nottz, Jake One, 9th Wonder, and Easy Mo Bee.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I really thought you knew better, friend, seing that you're a huge J Dilla fan, as am i.
My top 2 are Alchemist and J Dilla.
I can't really choose a number one.
But to answer your question more thoroughly, i can post examples that people make those kinds of videos for his beats


also

Who can chop shyt up like this?

also


Did you see the new Amp Fiddler interview where he talks about Dilla and plays stems from his beats?

Wish I could rep.

You got so many slept on ones there. The Far Left and Crash are both so underrated.