"Alien: Earth" | 2025 | FX Series From Noah Hawley

[TheDarceKnight]

they are soulless copies of humans. not humans. sort of like vampires. but even less human. they are not "in any form" other than being in the ground. vamp lore is replete with vamp lament due to their hollow state.

I don't know that I agree with that. But I got my degree in philosophy and we took lots of classes on stuff like this, and convos and debates like this are what could've made this show more interesting. I don't really think they'd be human anymore as well, but if you put all of your experiences and your consciousness into another body, I don't see how you are entirely dead.

Are we are physical bodies? Are we are consciousness? Are we a combination of both? Somewhere on a scale in between? What makes us us?

The kids experienced no real death, IMO. They were in their child bodies one hour, and they transitioned into their synth bodies the next hour. They kept all of their experiences and would continue experiencing life.

 

[Trav]

I been fighting the hate for this show all season...

But I gotta say.. they didn't stick the landing.


Yall know that meme where they got the horse drawn and it progressively gets worse.. thats episode 8.. it wasnt terrible.. Definitely could have been better ..

It felt like you expected your team to destroy the opponent 48 -7.. and you ended up winning 9-6

This did not feel like a finale at all...

Had a spark when ya first started...

 

[null]

I don't know that I agree with that. But I got my degree in philosophy

i did not but i read a lot.

and we took lots of classes on stuff like this, and convos and debates like this are what could've made this show more interesting. I don't really think they'd be human anymore as well, but if you put all of your experiences and your consciousness into another body, I don't see how you are entirely dead.

you'd be dead from a 1st person qualia point of view.

others might perceive you as alive but that is not the same thing.

if they can bring isaac back to life, then they can make copies. and two people from one soul seems a bit odd.

Are we are physical bodies? Are we are consciousness? Are we a combination of both? Somewhere on a scale in between? What makes us us?

ship of thesis and all that. the question in philosophy is (if i may) whether consciousness arises purely from the physical. or whether is it a non-physical phenomenon. IMO either way you look at it in the case of hybrids it does not make sense. unless souls can be shared or duplicated. (star wars acolyte aside that is).

The kids experienced no real death, IMO. They were in their child bodies one hour, and they transitioned into their synth bodies the next hour. They kept all of their experiences and would continue experiencing life.

they are backups. and the bodies are machines. if copies in machines have souls then you raise questions of soul sharing. also copying memories does not make someone who they are. intelligence, capacity and instincts are not a pert of memories.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

i did not but i read a lot.



you'd be dead from a 1st person qualia point of view.

others might perceive you as alive but that is not the same thing.

if they can bring isaac back to life, then they can make copies. and two people from one soul seems a bit odd.



ship of thesis and all that. the question in philosophy is (if i may) whether consciousness arises purely from the physical. or whether is it a non-physical phenomenon. IMO either way you look at it in the case of hybrids it does not make sense. unless souls can be shared or duplicated. (star wars acolyte aside that is).



they are backups. and the bodies are machines. if copies in machines have souls then you raise questions of soul sharing. also copying memories does not make someone who they are. intelligence, capacity and instincts are not a pert of memories.

What if you just don't believe in souls? I feel like all of this relies on someone believing a soul is necessary to make someone a person, but what if someone doesn't believe that.

Not everyone believes that we have souls.

 

[null]

What if you just don't believe in souls?

surely if you studied philosophy you know that just means that a person is purely physical. the problem with that path is that the hybrid is not physically them.

I feel like all of this relies on someone believing a soul is necessary to make someone a person, but what if someone doesn't believe that.

no it does not. even in the absence of a soul there are things (which in this scenario come from the physical) which are not a part of memories.

Not everyone believes that we have souls.

see my previous post and the above.

 

[OneManGang]

What if you just don't believe in souls? I feel like all of this relies on someone believing a soul is necessary to make someone a person, but what if someone doesn't believe that.

Not everyone believes that we have souls.

A complex orchestra of chemical compounds bound together by the laws of chemistry and physics, some we haven’t elucidated currently.

Are memories a simplistic? biological form of RAM? You can clone hard drives to be exactly the same. We just haven’t figured out the processes that biological systems do this yet.

So transhumanism, we’re still human in our thoughts, need to be human…but we’ve moved past the hardware or improved on it. Cyberpunk/Ghost in the Shell touches on this nicely. Where does the human body stop and the machine start? Can a 100% cyborg still be human?

In my opinion you can’t be human anymore once you no longer fear your own mortality. And that’s different for different things, machines included

 

[TheDarceKnight]

surely if you studied philosophy you know that just means that a person is purely physical. the problem with that path is that the hybrid is not physically them.



no it does not. even in the absence of a soul there are things (which in this scenario come from the physical) which are not a part of memories.



see my previous post and the above.

A complex orchestra of chemical compounds bound together by the laws of chemistry and physics, some we haven’t elucidated currently.

Are memories a simplistic? biological form of RAM? You can clone hard drives to be exactly the same. We just haven’t figured out the processes that biological systems do this yet.

So transhumanism, we’re still human in our thoughts, ability to be human…but we’ve moved past the hardware or improved on it. Cyberpunk/Ghost in the Shell touches on this nicely. Where does the human body stop and the machine start? Can a 100% cyborg still be human?

I gotta run to work and will return later, but like...this discussion is already 3x more interesting than ANY discussion had around this issue on the show, which is honestly my larger point. The show should have made some kind of attempt to address this, and would've been more interesting if it had done so.

 

[chkmeout]

They got to kill them demonic children

 

[Diondon]

This show was pointless as hell

 

[Jammer22]

My biggest gripe with this show was that there was so much build and plot threads that did not feel satisfying at all. Take episode 5 for example. That would have worked better as episode 1 than as a flashback. The other issue is that the crew in Alien handled security and disputes between themselves much more smarter and beleivable even though they were a bunch of miners.

The Maginot, is a ship dedicated for the capture and research of aliens, but you wouldn't know it. It strained and broke my suspension of disbelief immediately. I say all that, but I think there were positives.

Murrow, T-Ocelot, the set authenticity, call out to Alien:Isolation, the synthetics, and the island. Kirsch was alright, but they made him look like he'd be more significant. Also the brother's plot armor was so damn annoying. Finally, there was too many kids, and too little character development.

 

[OJ Simpsom]

 

[Lord_nikon]

 

[Mazino]

Overall this is a show of wasted potential some good things here and there and started off quite well but then got progressively worse

Too many things that didn't go anywhere especially with T. Ocellus, that was a theme actually with the lack of payoff for everything

The way the Alien is made to be a pet to Wendy is super lame and cheapens it big time

Research facility being so poorly run and so many idotic occurences was beyond whack

Kirsh as a character was interesting but ended being a nothing burger

The way Wendy so quickly switches to some serial killer ish just killing people without giving a fukk?

There's more too but yeah this wasn't as good as I'd hoped and they were not only trying to do too much but I don't think they kept to the spirit of Alien, I wouldn't be surprised if it got cancelled but if it does get a 2nd season it may not last to get a 3rd

 

[Lord_nikon]

1. Just watched E8



2. I only like E1, E2 E5 and maybe E3



3. morrrow and the other alien species had the best screen time

4. the Xenomorph in brightlight is



5. that rock music or what ever the fukk that is just use the instrumental sound at start



6. the hell with those kids

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

Oh thank God, I am not the only one that doesn’t like these killer machine kids. Rooting for them to be destroyed.

The boy genius is such a genius he enabled a test product with all the capabilities of Wendy…truly a genius.