All Jokes Aside: LeBron Ruined the NBA: Update Stephen A Agrees

[ISO]

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I also just remembered LeBron went life and death full 7 games series in 2012 while on his superteam against and old and geriatric Celtics team that included a 36 year old Garnett, 35 year old Pierce and a 36 year old Ray Allen. Pierce and Allen were so washed at that point they were shooting 35% FG from the field in that series.

The best player on that team was Rondo. Which really calls into question whether Bron has really been as good as the media claim him to be and many of his fans.

He certainly has been in a very priviledged position spending the vast majority of his prime on manufactured, handpicked superteams which was a priviledge many of his predecessors never could have attained.

The W.O.A.T. is here to protect Jordan’s legacy it’s all his posting history consists of

 

[murksiderock]

Boston was a super team by the old standard of the term but Bron and Wade (Wade always gets a pass but he should get just as much heat since he basically gave up once he handed the reins over) issued in a new type of superteam.

None of KG, Pierce, and Allen were consensus top 3 to top 5 players. They were all 30 and above as well. Age isn’t even the most important part tho. It’s there status in the NBA. You can be 30 and still be the best player in the NBA. At the time, they were not top 5 caliber players. kG was the only one who was even top 10.

Lebron and Wade were both widely regarded as top 5 players if not top 3. Bosh was at worst top 15. All in there primes. It’s a clear difference

And you also have to look at the landscape of the NBA at the time. When Bron made his move, Boston had been proven to be extremely beatable. There were no other teams with extreme amounts of talent. In intention was clear. That Miami team was made to crush everyone.

Ignoring the age differences for a second, it’s like comparing a super team with KD, Lebron, and Jokic to a Superteam of Bradley Beal, Joel Embiid and Chris Paul . There’s a clear difference in caliber between the top groups.

Since then it’s been the craziest arms race with the deck stacking getting worse and worse.

So one the one hand, yes I agree to an extent that Boston started it. But LeBron, as the budding face of the league, next in line in the GOAT convo, took it too a whole other level when realistically it was not necessary. Dude would’ve beaten Boston within the next 2 years without the drastic leap. Now KD has taken the mantle by 1 upping Bron. And they’ve been in a battle to just keep outdoing each other. Now any other star is forced to play that same game if they reasonably want to compete, which is a damn shame

LeBron isn't in a legacy competition with KD, and I dont know why cats on here say that. KD is in legacy competition with LeBron that he can't win, but at least he's gone on the record to acknowledge he's competing for his legacy by measuring himself against Bron...

Bron isn't and never has used Kevin Durant as his measuring stick...

As far as physical competition, both are competing against each other and the other 28 teams and players in The League, so there's nothing unique about physical competition, all the big names in the sport want to win...

Wade deserves criticism for his awful '14 Finals showing, as well as his meltdowns down the stretch of the '11 Finals that are easily overlooked because LeBron was worse...

At the time of The Decision Wade was certainly a Top 5 guy. Bosh was never in his life a Top 10 player and only a couple times even a legitimate Top 15 guy. He was a good basketball player but was not transcendent on his own, and thats gets lost in a lot of revisionist history of the time...

I think we all well acknowledge that the Heat underachieved, not only were they supposed to be the counter to Boston (which they were), they were supposed to be a dynasty (which they fell short of)...

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

This is bullshyt man nobody was saying they were past their primes in 2008

Ray was the first one to get washed out the trio and Rajon Rondo developed into an All-Star PG

u believe kg was the same player in '08 as he was in '03?

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Many like who besides you?

Every analyst picked the Cavs to win over the C's 2010

 

[ISO]

u believe kg was the same player in '08 as he was in '03?

Why does he have to be?

The year before he joined Boston he was a 22/13/4 guy, even on a horrible team still got some MVP votes

30 years old isn’t washed or past his prime a good chunk of the leagues All-Stars are washed then. Boston also allowed him to be in a more optimal role.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

2010 cavs vs. C's

"Super Team" tho...

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

That too. All of them over the age of 30 and Garnett got hurt second year there.

Where did they rank in their respective positions?

 

[tremonthustler1]

NBA should pass a rule, you can only sign ONE buyout player if you have a certain record and you can’t sign NO buyout players if you have a certain record. Also add in player injury exemptions. For example is Lebron/ Durant is out for the “season” not just a few weeks

bad idea. trash players get bought out all the time.

 

[10bandz]

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I also just remembered LeBron went life and death full 7 games series in 2012 while on his superteam against and old and geriatric Celtics team that included a 36 year old Garnett, 35 year old Pierce and a 36 year old Ray Allen. Pierce and Allen were so washed at that point they were shooting 35% FG from the field in that series.

The best player on that team was Rondo. Which really calls into question whether Bron has really been as good as the media claim him to be and many of his fans.

He certainly has been in a very priviledged position spending the vast majority of his prime on manufactured, handpicked superteams which was a priviledge many of his predecessors never could have attained.

wow

 

[10bandz]

2010 cavs vs. C's

"Super Team" tho...

even Vegas had cleveland as huge favorites LeGBT stay juelzing about brehs entire career

 

[ISO]

2010 cavs vs. C's

Analyst picks, Vegas, none of that shyt really has anything to do with what happens on the court.

I think everyone wanted to see LeBron breakthrough there (the league wanted their Kobe vs. LeBron Finals, he was MVP) but again the lack of help was apparent in this series and LeBron also had an elbow bone bruise that hurt his outside shooting. All in all it's whatever no excuses you can say he lost fair and square but after that loss we could see the frusturation and Bron taking his jersey off at the end and know he had enough.
2010 NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals - Celtics vs. Cavaliers | Basketball-Reference.com

The "superteam" designation is useless. It's just a narrative. Why is Miami a super team? They started guys like Joel Anthony and a washed Mike Bibby. They lacked depth, they lacked size, the James and Wade pairing was awkward, D-Wade and Bosh both had injuries throughout their playoff runs, they got their backs pushed against the wall in several series, they lost 2 out of the 4 Finals they made, Chicago/Indiana/Boston challenged them or got the top seed in some them years, it was just a very top heavy team.

It was a very good team of course that just missed out on dynasty status but what was so "super" about them? Nobody can say why they were "super" other than namedropping LeBron, Wade, Bosh as if three players make a team. Not even taking into consideration the injuries that kept Bosh out at crucial times and D-Wade's knee drainage issues and his decline from that first year to the last.

 

[Wacky D]

They reached the finals in 10 and lost.

the celtics were winning the series 3-2 until kendrick perkins got injured.

that left them with no center, going against that three-headed monster lakers frontline.

barring injuries, the celtics couldve 3-peated.
they were indeed a super-team.

and not just a big 3, but a super-team from the starters to a deep bench.

LeBron left Cleveland in 2010 because the Cavs didn’t do anything to help them beat the super team Boston had.

2009-10 Cleveland Cavaliers Roster and Stats | Basketball-Reference.com

Get mad a player leaves that team brehs

what made matters worse is that the cavs couldve had amare stoudemnire but they didnt want to give up j.j. hickson.

when they turned that trade down, i knew lebron was gone.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

None of those 3 were in their primes

These were their numbers the year they decided to join up:

Pierce: 30yo averaging 24-6-4
Ray: 32yo averaging 26-5-4
KG: 31yo averaging 22-13-4 and 1st-team All-Defensive

KG was 3rd in MVP voting the year AFTER he joined, Pierce made just as many All-NBA teams after he joined as he did before, and Ray was still making All-Star games 4 years after he joined. Talking like those guys were washed is some dumb shyt.

That too. All of them over the age of 30 and Garnett got hurt second year there.

So injuries matter now? Bosh and Wade got hurt their 2nd year in Miami too, Kyrie and Love got hurt their 1st year. But I've always been told that's an excuse that doesn't change the fact they're a superteam, right?

 

[Bryan Danielson]

No he didn't

Exactly.... this new batch of young kids just built different and I cant blame them.

With all due respect.... no one trynna play and die their careers in Memphis or Detriot

If all these cats was going to small market teams that would be one thing.

But its the MEDIA for years that been on that "so and so needs to leave _____ and go to New York and be PRIME TIME.

HELL SAS himself has been guilty of it saying cats should go to a bigger market team under the bright lights and make their money.

Now complaining cuz so many are taking up that advise and happen to play on the same team?

I think he probably more mad that they chose the Nets over the Knicks.

Cuz if Kyrie, KD, Harden, and etc would all been on the Knicks.... no one wouldve said shyt and the same cats would be now celebrating that "THE SHOW" has came back to Madison Square Garden

 

[Wacky D]

Yes, he did. Nikka “tried” to be Jordan so bad he created these all star teams now he bytching because other players won’t stay on regular structured teams so he can steam roll them. Nikka you didn’t stay in Cleveland, why would they stay? He clearly failed game theory. I know Jordan, Bird and Magic laughing at him behind closed doors.

what would they be laughing at?? jordan, bird & magic got all their rings playing on super-teams.
jordan's rings in particular came in the expansion era where most of the other teams were relatively trash.

and lebron got 4 rings, so again, what are they laughing at?