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[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

The voting just doesn’t make sense to me logic wise. CP3s stats don’t jump off the page but he’s rewarded for leadership and team success while players like Donovan Mitchell and Booker are ignored for their roles on teams with top records even though they have big stats to go with it.

Randle gets in without the huge stats but leading a young team to a good record without any other stars yet Trae Young has huge stats and leads a young team to a good record with no other stats (to be fair more talent than the Knicks) but is largely ignored for some reason.

Players like Beal get voted in for stats but Zion, Westbrook, and Tatum get ignored in favor of Butler.

Then there is the whole issue with total number of games missed and how to account for that.

I really don’t know what the right choices are it just doesn’t seem there is too much narrative with some of the votes with no consistency.

More than anything I just hate it being tied to contracts. The league has so much talent now that some all-nba level quality seasons will get passed over and players miss out on big money due to random whims of voters.

On the plus side players on teams that miss out on qualifying for the super max should be excited their players didn’t make it. It’ll help with cap room for the next few seasons if the player resigns.

You could make same said argument for the majority of awards season in the NBA. The narrative for MVP criteria literally changes every season and depending on the player people want to win.

Unfortunately, there’s nothing that can really be done about it as awards in all sports are based on subjective opinions.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

The run happened when beal returned from injury I’m pretty sure

stop fckn over rating westbrook

Ehhh the run happened when the team learned how to play some semblance of defense and not mainly because of either player tbh.

 

[Controversy]

5th in MVP voting but supposedly not a top-15 player, haters gonna stay mad.

CP3 was on 95 ballots with 85 of them being 1st/2nd team. Booker was on 15 ballots and just 3 were 2nd-team. This was a fukking LANDSLIDE, virtually no one who follows the game thought Booker was better than CP3.

Nor does anyone in the Suns organization think Booker was more important to their success than CP3.

Book is a better player than CP0

that's it, that's the post

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

The voting just doesn’t make sense to me logic wise. CP3s stats don’t jump off the page but he’s rewarded for leadership and team success while players like Donovan Mitchell and Booker are ignored for their roles on teams with top records even though they have big stats to go with it.

Randle gets in without the huge stats but leading a young team to a good record without any other stars yet Trae Young has huge stats and leads a young team to a good record with no other stats (to be fair more talent than the Knicks) but is largely ignored for some reason.

Players like Beal get voted in for stats but Zion, Westbrook, and Tatum get ignored in favor of Butler.

Then there is the whole issue with total number of games missed and how to account for that.

I really don’t know what the right choices are it just doesn’t seem there is too much narrative with some of the votes with no consistency.

More than anything I just hate it being tied to contracts. The league has so much talent now that some all-nba level quality seasons will get passed over and players miss out on big money due to random whims of voters.

On the plus side players on teams that miss out on qualifying for the super max should be excited their players didn’t make it. It’ll help with cap room for the next few seasons if the player resigns.

If the team is already over the cap, then not getting the supermax isn’t going to provide them with anymore cap room anyways. anything, it benefits the owner as it saves them bread from the luxury tax.

It does matter to Dallas though as the Luka rookie extension doesn’t kick in until after next season, so this is their last year of free flexibility.

 

[LV Koopa]

Do yall really just show up and make shyt up?

How can anyone argue for Donovan Mitchell being All NBA this season? He was more like a top 40 player for loooooooooooong stretches of the season. I know people don't watch Utah games but no fukking way do you think he has it over guys like CP3 or Beal. Then he got injured and his team went on to get the #1 record in the league without him.

 

[threattonature]

If the team is already over the cap, then not getting the supermax isn’t going to provide them with anymore cap room anyways. anything, it benefits the owner as it saves them bread from the luxury tax.

It does matter to Dallas though as the Luka rookie extension doesn’t kick in until after next season, so this is their last year of free flexibility.

Not true. Depending on if teams are over the luxury or not or repeat defenders it can open up the higher mid level exceptions. And just in general most owners are avoiding that repeater tax so saving that extra five or ten million can make a world of difference.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Do yall really just show up and make shyt up?

How can anyone argue for Donovan Mitchell being All NBA this season? He was more like a top 40 player for loooooooooooong stretches of the season. I know people don't watch Utah games but no fukking way do you think he has it over guys like CP3 or Beal. Then he got injured and his team went on to get the #1 record in the league without him.

People tend to forget that Mitchell is usually ass the 1st half of the season, then picks up the pace as the season goes on.

 

[threattonature]

Do yall really just show up and make shyt up?

How can anyone argue for Donovan Mitchell being All NBA this season? He was more like a top 40 player for loooooooooooong stretches of the season. I know people don't watch Utah games but no fukking way do you think he has it over guys like CP3 or Beal. Then he got injured and his team went on to get the #1 record in the league without him.

They were already the number one seed and only beat like two or three playoff teams in the 13 games they played without him. They benefited from a super easy stretch of games down the stretch which is how they weathered the storm with him gone.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Not true. Depending on if teams are over the luxury or not or repeat defenders it can open up the higher mid level exceptions. And just in general most owners are avoiding that repeater tax so saving that extra five or ten million can make a world of difference.

That benefits the owner though and not the players. There were a few teams at or near the luxury tax line and they don't have a supermax player on their roster yet (Philly and Boston), so a player not making the supermax wouldn't have necessarily benefitted them. That's why GS told Steph years ago to take the $200 million dollar extension and don't leave money on the table as it wouldn't have given them anymore cap space since they had been offenders of the repeater tax.

If you have three players making $30+ million a season, then there's only so much flexibility that you can create without assets or contracts to attach and improve the team. You're going to be running into the luxury/repeater tax as you'd only $40 million-ish to fill out the rest of your roster.

 

[BK The Great]

5th in MVP voting but supposedly not a top-15 player, haters gonna stay mad.

CP3 was on 95 ballots with 85 of them being 1st/2nd team. Booker was on 15 ballots and just 3 were 2nd-team. This was a fukking LANDSLIDE, virtually no one who follows the game thought Booker was better than CP3.

Nor does anyone in the Suns organization think Booker was more important to their success than CP3.

At least Trae should be there then.

 

[Apprentice]

You keep mentioning things that no one is arguing about. Saying Chris Paul is a better leader than Cam Payne, no one is arguing against this shyt.

Are you reading anything I am posting? I am literally saying Chris Paul is great and that you should not devalue Booker, that is all.

No one is devaluing anybody but u

u tryna diminish CP role on the team to prop up Booker, shyt corny

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

@Gil Scott-Heroin Randle is 2nd team All NBA and MIP

who’s hiding from your bytch ass

anything he did in the playoffs was GRAVY

You bytch ass nikka you been duckin the fade ever since the Heat got swept why you in here talkin shyt?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@Gil Scott-Heroin Randle is 2nd team All NBA and MIP

who’s hiding from your bytch ass

anything he did in the playoffs was GRAVY

You embarrassed yourself more than I've ever seen anyone on a msgboard ever do before, and this is what makes you come out of hiding?

You're a waste of melanin.

 

[UserNameless]

Who were the 7 voters who thought Jimmy Butler deserved 1st-team All-NBA?



I damn near agree with the entire thing. Only real issue is that Tatum shoulda made 2nd-team and Butler should have been knocked off the 3rd-team as a result.

I think Tatum should have been on there too and Butler off

 

[LV Koopa]

They were already the number one seed and only beat like two or three playoff teams in the 13 games they played without him. They benefited from a super easy stretch of games down the stretch which is how they weathered the storm with him gone.

That's still winning games. And they were beasting even when he was struggling because Clarkson was hot for 2 months and Gobert is their best player. Donovan Mitchell and Jokic are known for starting the season slow. Except this year Jokic came out the gate killing. Mitch was really mediocre for a few months.