All of humanity has to suffer because Adam and Eve disobeyed God? :wth:

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

Nah we suffer b/c we keep acting in the same way as Adam and Eve.

We used to discuss stuff like this in undergrad. From my readings I've gathered that God is a completion of all dualities and existence in life. Pure utter being complete and eternal, a perfection that is complete yet continually transcends any human conception of it that is personal yet also detached. And even this explanation can be subject to critique b/c of God's continually transcendent nature.

Anyhoo apparently we suffer not b/c God is punishing us but b/c we keep acting in ways that provide natural and supernatural consequences. God creates and allows the created things to act according to their natures and experience the consequences.

This means that apparently even the gates to hell are locked from the inside.

The ultimate purpose in life is to find our way back to our true nature which is divine. The more we act in negative or sinful ways, the longer it takes to transform into our divine infinite. Some people might take an eternity (hell) while others are there now.
Either way that whole "every knee shall bow" and "every tongue shall confess" bit is the realization that eventually we all come back to what we are.

But yeah, supposedly every path is a search for our divinity even the ones that choose no path at all. But apparently some roads are longer and harder than others. Religion merely provided some examples of different paths you can take.

 

[WetinBeDat]

"Playing ___" means doing as if. If you are 'creating' or altering life, you are playing god, doing what people deem to be the responsibility of god, of nature.

creating or altering life doesn't involve omniscience. For your analogy to not be a false equivalency, the player (god) must also be omniscient.

God from a theistic perspective is inaccurate

assuming you're right, that bares no relevance on this discussion. you just have to believe god is omniscient, as theists do (which you do).

Yes, programmed to experience free will within the game.

if your experiences of free will (ie. the choices you make and their outcomes) were programmed, you're acting out the will of the programmer (god) not your own.

if you can't get right on square one about what god is, you can't really grasp what is meant by free will

you agree god is omniscient, whatever other characteristics it may have are irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[Take It In Blood]

"Why should i suffer because of adam and eve "

Try to use Human reasoning with an Omniscient being who is also your creator, older than the beginning of time life span longer thsn the universe brehs

this is some dumbass sh1t right here

mad assertions with no evidence to support any of these claims

 

[Cowboyz89]

Grown men believing in fairy tales.

 

[Kairi Irving]

this is some dumbass sh1t right here

mad assertions with no evidence to support any of these claims

You dont believe in God, but if you were smart youd entertain the thought as if you were a believer, why would you try to go against something that created the universe. Your just a dumbass atheists who throws temper tantrums whenever someone doesnt agree with your belief that God doesnt exist


Then go on to spew regurgitated big bang theories trying to present them as facts, pseudo intellectual atheist #100008.

 

[Take It In Blood]

You dont believe in God, but if you were smart youd entertain the thought as if you were a believer, why would you try to go against something that created the universe. Your just a dumbass atheists who throws temper tantrums whenever someone doesnt agree with your belief that God doesnt exist


Then go on to spew regurgitated big bang theories trying to present them as facts, pseudo intellectual atheist #100008.

Hmmm.... there u go again, so much certainty

Try to use Human reasoning with an Omniscient being who is also your creator, older than the beginning of time life span longer thsn the universe brehs

Just because you simply say something doesn't make it true, u do understand that.... right?


There's literally no test anyone can do to verify anything you just stated in this sentence.


Absolutely none-whatsoever, and as long as you can agree (which I'd assume you will if you're a reasonable human being)


Then we having nothing to squabble about here.

 

[Kairi Irving]

Hmmm.... there u go again, so much certainty




Just because you simply say something doesn't make it true, u do understand that.... right?


There's literally no test anyone can do to verify anything you just stated in this sentence.


Absolutely none-whatsoever, and as long as you can agree (which I'd assume you will if you're a reasonable human being)


Then we having nothing to squabble about here.

lol Atheists are idiotic. The same could be said, How do you know that there isnt a God.

It would make sense that there is one, lol at the world and the universe existing because it does


Not to mention the big bang theory is really retarded and your type of "intellectuals" believe it...never even questioned it. I can only deduce that people who have a strong hatred of the belief of "God" must really hate life, and as a cope theyd rather believe one doesnt exist.

 

[Take It In Blood]

lol Atheists are idiotic. The same could be said, How do you know that there isnt a God.

It would make sense that there is one, lol at the world and the universe existing because it does


Not to mention the big bang theory is really retarded and your type of "intellectuals" believe it...never even questioned it. I can only deduce that people who have a strong hatred of the belief of "God" must really hate life, and as a cope theyd rather believe one doesnt exist.

just admit you don't know and be intellectually honest


and we'll all do the same


Making assertions without evidence won't help us get any closer to figuring out what actually happened.

 

[Lakerman0834]

Grown men believing in fairy tales.

dead man came back to life today breh

 

[Konnan]

OP is Satan's weed carrier

 

[Claudex]

As a catholic who's been swamped in activities for the whole of last week I was not expecting this thread.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

lol Atheists are idiotic. The same could be said, How do you know that there isnt a God.

It would make sense that there is one, lol at the world and the universe existing because it does


Not to mention the big bang theory is really retarded and your type of "intellectuals" believe it...never even questioned it. I can only deduce that people who have a strong hatred of the belief of "God" must really hate life, and as a cope theyd rather believe one doesnt exist.

Sorry to jump in y’all convo, but that last paragraph I look st the opposite for people believe in a higher being. I feel like they weak and need a crutch to get thru life because they not strong enough to understand everything that goes on in life is on them.

As a man when u realize that it’s no fairy god father in the sky looking at all your moves I feel you start to see things clearly and live life with limitations.

 

[Dave24]

Nah we suffer b/c we keep acting in the same way as Adam and Eve.

We used to discuss stuff like this in undergrad. From my readings I've gathered that God is a completion of all dualities and existence in life. Pure utter being complete and eternal, a perfection that is complete yet continually transcends any human conception of it that is personal yet also detached. And even this explanation can be subject to critique b/c of God's continually transcendent nature.

Anyhoo apparently we suffer not b/c God is punishing us but b/c we keep acting in ways that provide natural and supernatural consequences. God creates and allows the created things to act according to their natures and experience the consequences.

This means that apparently even the gates to hell are locked from the inside.

The ultimate purpose in life is to find our way back to our true nature which is divine. The more we act in negative or sinful ways, the longer it takes to transform into our divine infinite. Some people might take an eternity (hell) while others are there now.
Either way that whole "every knee shall bow" and "every tongue shall confess" bit is the realization that eventually we all come back to what we are.

But yeah, supposedly every path is a search for our divinity even the ones that choose no path at all. But apparently some roads are longer and harder than others. Religion merely provided some examples of different paths you can take.