All of humanity has to suffer because Adam and Eve disobeyed God? :wth:

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With a God like that, who needs Satan? :scust:
If the Adam and Eve story were real and God created Eve from Adam, why is the male chromosome "XY" and the female "XX". This would imply male came from female, not the other way around.:ld:
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It's simple cause and affect, OP. Because one man transgressed, he welcomed sin into this world. Now everyone has to deal with Satan and his angels. Why are you mad at GOD, sir? If you have a question about scripture, why not just pray about it? I mean, it's all make-believe, like Santa Claus, right? :jbhmm: And let's not act like that same GOD didn't give you a pardon for your sins through Jesus Christ. :martin: That "evil, unjust, racist tyrant" went through all that suffering so you can be with Him. All you have to do is accept the transaction through faith, but you'd rather rage because you don't understand His ways. Just ask Him.
 

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would you mind explaining how you have free will if god is omniscient?

Let's put it that way, even if i know you're going to commit a crime i can stop you or not right?

Even if i know that there is a cliff in front of you and that you can fall there, i simply can keep quiet, or warn you and yet you will go straight there by your own will.

God knows exactly what would happen when He created man, He also knows exactly who is the vessel of honor and who is not. Instead of utterly destroying the human race, He sent His son so that the righteous would be justified by the sacrifice of His blood, consequently being saved by His acceptance.

Jesus died and rose again to save us all from the eternal damnation(lake of fire) that would be given only to satan and his angels. After the God's judgment, only those who are not written in the book of life(salvation) will be thrown there. In a few words, those who know the word of God and the right, but nevertheless chose sin(here we return to Adam again, because this is the nature of the human being by inheritance).

Be assured that there are people who think they are saved but will be condemned, and people who live wrong but will achieve redemption. Perseverance in God's faith and the acceptance of Him in the spirit and truth are the key to salvation, not simply doing good deeds as many churches erroneously preach out there.



The subject is complex and difficult to understand for those who don't believe, but more than this only the Most High can tell you :hubie:
 

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Even if i know that there is a cliff in front of you and that you can fall there, i simply can keep quiet, or warn you and yet you will go straight there by your own will.

God knows exactly what would happen when He created man, He also knows exactly who is the vessel of honor and who is not. Instead of utterly destroying the human race, He sent His son so that the righteous would be justified by the sacrifice of His blood, consequently being saved by His acceptance.

The only problem with your analogy (and I like this conversation so I am going to remain respectful of you the person...only have an issue with the analogy :manny:)

Is this:

There is a difference between knowing what "can" happen and knowing what "will" happen.

Your cliff analogy is one I've heard before. God can warn you, but it's on you to decide what you are going to do. BUT (and this is big) if God is "All knowing" then he already knows what you are going to do.

It can't be both ways.

Either God is all knowing...and he knows already whether or not I am going to drive off the cliff...henceforth taking away my free will (because he already knows what will happen because it is predetermined)

OR I have "free will" I have the choice to drive off the cliff or not drive off the cliff, and therefore God is NOT all knowing because he does not know what I am going to do.


I don't know which it is. I will never claim to know. But it can't be both.
 
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Depersonalize 'god' for a second and think of this like the SIMS. The little video game people you create can be given 'free will' within the parameters of the game. God, the 'force' or whatever is the fukking game, it's the code...it's omniscience isn't a mental faculty like some of you are picturing it, because you have been taught to personify god. It knows all because it is, all that is.

You have free will (or free won't for that matter) to move within the parameters of the simulation, the matrix. Some settings, destinations, stages, in life are just a part of the game.


problem with that analogy is that the player of the game isn't omniscient. Assuming they were, the "free will" given to the characters would simply be an illusion. If the entirety of this "simulation" is predetermined, how can you, the character have free will?


Let's put it that way, even if i know you're going to commit a crime i can stop you or not right?

Even if i know that there is a cliff in front of you and that you can fall there, i simply can keep quiet, or warn you and yet you will go straight there by your own will.

God knows exactly what would happen when He created man, He also knows exactly who is the vessel of honor and who is not. Instead of utterly destroying the human race, He sent His son so that the righteous would be justified by the sacrifice of His blood, consequently being saved by His acceptance.

Jesus died and rose again to save us all from the eternal damnation(lake of fire) that would be given only to satan and his angels. After the God's judgment, only those who are not written in the book of life(salvation) will be thrown there. In a few words, those who know the word of God and the right, but nevertheless chose sin(here we return to Adam again, because this is the nature of the human being by inheritance).

Be assured that there are people who think they are saved but will be condemned, and people who live wrong but will achieve redemption. Perseverance in God's faith and the acceptance of Him in the spirit and truth are the key to salvation, not simply doing good deeds as many churches erroneously preach out there.
The subject is complex and difficult to understand for those who don't believe, but more than this only the Most High can tell you :hubie:


you brought up the book of life. can one change whether or not their name appears in said book?
 

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I believe in God breh, I'm not atheist... Question: Who was he talking to?? He's a spirit but made us flesh... In his Image... Miss me with the other shyt breh...

First off; stop being triggered and acting hemotional.

Secondly, “Let us make man in our image is a type of Hebrew grammar process that is called The 'Law of Majestic Plurality' or the 'Rule of Plural Majesty'.
There are many instances in the Bible where this Law or Rule can be found.

Lastly, my point still stands. Humans are spiritual beings first before they are enclosed in flesh.

Don’t be so quick to act cocky and you might learn something.
 

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Let's do some comparisons...

God is all knowing
All knowing means (knows everything)
so he knows how everything starts and ends...

Can we agree there?


If we agree there...

Then God already knows what is going to happen. He knows what I am going to do tomorrow. He knows what I am going to do in a year. He knows when I die.

If we agree there...

If God already knows what is going to happen. Then it is predetermined. There is no free will. If "God's plan" is that I am to turn right, and I think "ooh...I'm going to trick God and turn left" he already knows I am going to try and trick him and he already knows that I am going to turn left...because he is all knowing.

It can't be both things. You can't say "you have free will to do what you want but everything you have ever done and will ever do is already known" it's a logical fallacy. If I have free will, I can alter what I want to do. If there is a being that is "all knowing" then I can't have free will because that being already knows what I am going to do eons before I've ever done it. My actions are outlined far before I do them. They are predetermined.

:hhh:

You need to study up on free will and determinism.

Think just because God knows the end from the beginning He is holding the strings like that of a marionette puppet brehs :mjlol:

:snoop:
 

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If the Adam and Eve story were real and God created Eve from Adam, why is the male chromosome "XY" and the female "XX". This would imply male came from female, not the other way around.:ld:
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Ugh no! Try again :mjlol:
 
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Yeah you should read the witchcraft (satanist) version. It involves another fallen angel woman (Lilith) and a love triangle with another fallen angle(samael) all in a soap opera with Adam and Eve. And these are the gods satanist pray too. Check it out it’s interesting.
 

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:hhh:

You need to study up on free will and determinism.

Think just because God knows the end from the beginning He is holding the strings like that of a marionette puppet brehs :mjlol:

:snoop:

:mjlol:

Think that if someone knows the end that’s there is still “free will” brehs.

I know the end of Scarface. It plays out the same way every time. There is no free will.

If God knows how it all ends then you can’t alter that. Hence no free will
 

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Yeah you should read the witchcraft (satanist) version. It involves another fallen angel woman (Lilith) and a love triangle with another fallen angle(samael) all in a soap opera with Adam and Eve. And these are the gods satanist pray too. Check it out it’s interesting.

I saw that shyt on the History channel. Lilith went awol on Adam or something and good told her bytch ass to come back to Dust. Then he made Eve. Correcting me if I'm wrong. :dame:
 
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