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Scottie developed into a great player under the goat, it’s a win-win, not sure what your point isYeah, the were on pace for 58 wins with him on the floor. Jordan was losing to Craig Hodges without Scottie
All those cacalytics Bron stans loved to use back in the Kobe debate days came back round the other way
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Winning nearly 60 games and advancing in the playoffs without your best player is a totally normal occurrence. Nothing to do with the Bulls being the most stacked team of the 1990s. It took the Bulls one season without MJ to do what it took the Cavs 31 years to accomplish
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Winning nearly 60 games and advancing in the playoffs without your best player is a totally normal occurrence. Nothing to do with the Bulls being the most stacked team of the 1990s. It took the Bulls one season without MJ to do what it took the Cavs 31 years to accomplish
Toronto Raptors had a 58-24 record with Kawhi.
Next year had a 53-19 record with a higher winning percentage due to the shortened season.
Lastly, Miami won 54 games with Bron in 2014. In 2016 they won 48 games. The only reason you have this lame narrative is because Chris Bosh missed 2015 due to blood clots. Losing Bron only resulted in 6 games off their win total
1. The same Raptors team won 58 with Kawhi load managing, won 59 the season prior with Derozan, and then won 53. They're one of the deepest teams in NBA history. How does that disprove my point?Toronto Raptors had a 58-24 record with Kawhi.
Next year had a 53-19 record with a higher winning percentage due to the shortened season.
Lastly, Miami won 54 games with Bron in 2014. In 2016 they won 48 games. The only reason you have this lame narrative is because Chris Bosh missed 2015 due to blood clots. Losing Bron only resulted in 6 games off their win total
2. The 2015 Heat went 13-15 with Bosh. The 2016 Heat were a completely different team
only Wade, Bosh, Chalmers were getting tick with Bron.They replaced everyone else with Joe Johnson, Goran Dragic, Luol Deng, Hassan Whiteside, Justice Winslow, Josh Richardson, Gerald Green, Tyler Johnson.
Not even remotely comparable to the Bulls losing Jordan and not even missing a beat.
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With MJ they 3peated 91-93, dynasty1. The same Raptors team won 58 with Kawhi load managing, won 59 the season prior with Derozan, and then won 53. They're one of the deepest teams in NBA history. How does that disprove my point?
2. The 2015 Heat went 13-15 with Bosh. The 2016 Heat were a completely different team
They replaced everyone else with Joe Johnson, Goran Dragic, Luol Deng, Hassan Whiteside, Justice Winslow, Josh Richardson, Gerald Green, Tyler Johnson.
Not even remotely comparable to the Bulls losing Jordan and not even missing a beat.
Without MJ they still had Pippen, Kukoc, Grant, Phil Jackson plus a good system and team chemistry in 94 but won nothing
Without MJ in 95 they were struggling till MJ came back for the last 17 games in baseball shape but won nothing
With MJ back to form they went 72-10 3peated 96-98, dynasty
You have no point just spiraling. Basically with MJ back full time they went from 55 reg season and 2nd rd exit without him to 72-10 and another 3peat with him. Goat shyt
More retarded posting
They did something no team in NBA history has ever done. They lost a 30 PPG scorer less than a month before the season and STILL won 55 games and a playoff round. Were a game 7 away from beating the ECF champs.
MJ had the most stacked team in the league capable of winning 60 games and playoff rounds without him while his competition like Reggie Miller and Patrick Ewing were forced to make do with Rik Smits and John Starks. Replace MJ with any All-time great SG in NBA history and they rack up championships in that weak ass era with that supporting cast.
They lost Grant in 1995 dummy, BJ Armstrong was the third best player
and they STILL had the 2nd best defense that season and a top 5 net rating.
Ozymandeas
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1. The same Raptors team won 58 with Kawhi load managing, won 59 the season prior with Derozan, and then won 53. They're one of the deepest teams in NBA history. How does that disprove my point?
2. The 2015 Heat went 13-15 with Bosh. The 2016 Heat were a completely different team
They replaced everyone else with Joe Johnson, Goran Dragic, Luol Deng, Hassan Whiteside, Justice Winslow, Josh Richardson, Gerald Green, Tyler Johnson.
Not even remotely comparable to the Bulls losing Jordan and not even missing a beat.
You have no point goofy.
Toronto won 5 less games after Kawhi and had a higher winning percentage.
You’re a goofy for talking about the 2015 Heat KNOWING GOOD & DAMN WELL that Bosh sat out the year for blood clots. When he came back the next year, the team won only 6 less games than with Bron.
Get mad. Stay mad
@Mister Terrific you okay breh? 
JP_614
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Damn yall muthafukka keep this debate alive everyday.
Toronto Raptors had a 58-24 record with Kawhi.
Next year had a 53-19 record with a higher winning percentage due to the shortened season.
Lastly, Miami won 54 games with Bron in 2014. In 2016 they won 48 games. The only reason you have this lame narrative is because Chris Bosh missed 2015 due to blood clots. Losing Bron only resulted in 6 games off their win total
Not to mention gaining bron only meant +2 for the Lakers win total
These idiots think we dont follow the NBA or something.
no. i just think it was silly to be insulted at the idea of MJ winning rings with Gasol. Or comparing their relative impacts to Mj and Kobe.While I agree wholeheartedly that people overrate Scottie an effort to downplay MJ's dominance, are you implying that Pau Gasol was a better basketball player than Scottie Pippen?
You cats really are retardedYou have no point goofy.
Toronto won 5 less games after Kawhi and had a higher winning percentage.
You’re a goofy for talking about the 2015 Heat KNOWING GOOD & DAMN WELL that Bosh sat out the year for blood clots. When he came back the next year, the team won only 6 less games than with Bron.
Get mad. Stay mad
It's actually shocking how dumb you are.I literally addressed everything you posted and you came back and posted the same dumb shyt again
A. I said the Bulls were the most stacked team of the 1990s and you came back and cited another outlier example. The Raps won 60 before Kawhi, 60 with Kawhi (who was load managing), and a 60 win pace without Kawhi. That's the example you want to use to disprove that the Bulls were stacked dumb dumb?
B. The Heat were 13-15 with Bosh goofy. The 2016 Heat were two years after Bron left Miami. They were a COMPLETELY different team that added and replaced about 7 rotation players. Including Whiteside who was All defense that season and three former all-stars in Joe Johnson, Goran Dragic, Luol Deng.
Jordan retired on October 6, 1993. Three weeks before the season and the Bulls still won 55 games and advanced in the playoffs. That doesn't compare at all.
1. The same Raptors team won 58 with Kawhi load managing, won 59 the season prior with Derozan, and then won 53. They're one of the deepest teams in NBA history. How does that disprove my point?
2. The 2015 Heat went 13-15 with Bosh. The 2016 Heat were a completely different team
They replaced everyone else with Joe Johnson, Goran Dragic, Luol Deng, Hassan Whiteside, Justice Winslow, Josh Richardson, Gerald Green, Tyler Johnson.
Not even remotely comparable to the Bulls losing Jordan and not even missing a beat.
nikkas still runnin this fake story 30 years later that 94 Bulls was the 93 Bulls minus MJ?
94 Bulls was a much better supportin cast minus Pippen or MJ than 93 or 98 was. They revamped the team. Only someone who doesn't know the history would think 93 team replacin MJ was the same as 94.
93 Bulls minus MJ - Pippen, Horace, Armstrong, Cartwright, Paxson, Williams, Stacey, Perdue, Trent
94 Bulls minus Myers (starting SG wit Mike out) - Pippen, Horace, Armstrong, Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, Wennington, Blount
Cartwright, Pax, Williams, Stacey, Perdue, Trent was they 5-10 rotation and most em nikkas was washed, traded season after and retired a few seasons after 93. They minutes was gettin less and less in playoff cause they could only trust MJ, Pippen, Horace and BJ. That why that 93 team was so gassed their depth was garbage and they had to overplay their top 4 and they was runnin on fumes in playoff. And that why they traded rest of em nikkas and got a much stronger deeper supporting cast. Nice try.
Ya'll can't be so stupidnikkas still runnin this fake story 30 years later that 94 Bulls was the 93 Bulls minus MJ?
94 Bulls was a much better supportin cast minus Pippen or MJ than 93 or 98 was. They revamped the team. Only someone who doesn't know the history would think 93 team replacin MJ was the same as 94.
93 Bulls minus MJ - Pippen, Horace, Armstrong, Cartwright, Paxson, Williams, Stacey, Perdue, Trent
94 Bulls minus Myers (starting SG wit Mike out) - Pippen, Horace, Armstrong, Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, Wennington, Blount
Cartwright, Pax, Williams, Stacey, Perdue, Trent was they 5-10 rotation and most em nikkas was washed, traded season after and retired a few seasons after 93. They minutes was gettin less and less in playoff cause they could only trust MJ, Pippen, Horace and BJ. That why that 93 team was so gassed their depth was garbage and they had to overplay their top 4 and they was runnin on fumes in playoff. And that why they traded rest of em nikkas and got a much stronger deeper supporting cast. Nice try.
Players that averaged more than 15 MPG in the playoffs-
1993 core: MJ, Pippen, Grant, Armstrong, Cartwright, Williams, Paxson,
1994 core: Pippen, Grant, Armstrong, Kukoc, Kerr, Myers, Longley, Williams
They lost MICHAEL JORDAN, you know the best player in the league, weeks before the season started and replaced him with a rookie Kukoc and Steve fukking Kerr. They didn't even get Longley until the trade deadline. You really think a team losing the best player in the league and replacing them with a rookie and bench players should win the same amount of games? The posts to rationalize this shyt just keep getting dumber and dumber.
Let Jokic retire tomorrow and the Nuggets replace him with a rookie and some bench players and see if they win the same amount of games
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Replace LeBron with Rudy Gay and the Heat win in 2011 and 3 out of 4More retarded posting
They did something no team in NBA history has ever done. They lost a 30 PPG scorer less than a month before the season and STILL won 55 games and a playoff round. Were a game 7 away from beating the ECF champs.
MJ had the most stacked team in the league capable of winning 60 games and playoff rounds without him while his competition like Reggie Miller and Patrick Ewing were forced to make do with Rik Smits and John Starks. Replace MJ with any All-time great SG in NBA history and they rack up championships in that weak ass era with that supporting cast.
They lost Grant in 1995 dummy, BJ Armstrong was the third best player
