Ozymandeas
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Also the idea that Boston formed in 2007 to stop LeBron is nonsense 
All those cacalytics Bron stans loved to use back in the Kobe debate days came back round the other way
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Mister Terrific
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Yeah because if it was easy to come into the league and “accumulate stats” everyone would do it.Lebron stats are based off coming into the league at 18 and having extra years to collect more stats than the average NBA player.
And he still achieved less than the GOAT, EVEN THO HE JUMPED TEAMS TO FORM VOLTRONS.
Lebron literally an underachieving crybaby.
Form voltron? Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love?
Take your country bumpkin ass back to the swamp
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That college kid keeps LeBron from retiring to the point where the Lakers don’t want him no moreYeah because if it was easy to come into the league and “accumulate stats” everyone would do it.
Form voltron? Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love?
Take your country bumpkin ass back to the swamp
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
Still averaging 25,7,7 while your goat was getting sympathy allstar votesThat college kid keeps LeBron from retiring to the point where the Lakers don’t want him no more
Please Vince Carter, let MJ take your spot
See how much people overrate pippens. Acting like its an insult to compare him of all people to Pau Gasol
Pippen was just Jimmy Butler without the ability to lead his own team to the finals.
Without MJ his career would have been worse than Jimmy Butlers
While I agree wholeheartedly that people overrate Scottie an effort to downplay MJ's dominance, are you implying that Pau Gasol was a better basketball player than Scottie Pippen?
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Major in the minors brehs, ya mans is trapped being an old man still trying to prove something. Wizards Mike was just doing light cardio.Still averaging 25,7,7 while your goat was getting sympathy allstar votes
Please Vince Carter, let MJ take your spot
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
Vince did the wrong thing by giving in
Well, thank God we can get on with our lives.
Vince Carter gave up his starting spot in the All-Star Game. Does this mean he's a good guy now?
If only it were that simple, like pro wrestling, when a bad guy suddenly "turns" and becomes a good guy in the blink of an eye. Vince put Michael Jordan in a headlock on Sunday just before tipoff, and made Jordan go out there in his place, and he is suddenly not selfish, not boorish, not stupid.
Maybe he wasn't any of those things to begin with.
I understand we live in different times now, that part of the world of sports is the incessant talk culture, both on television and on radio. People are getting paid good money to just yak off the top of their heads about anything. I shouldn't take it personally. Vince shouldn't take it personally. But it's hard, I'm sure, to differentiate between earnest discussion and blowhards who only care about making it to the next commercial break before they're discovered to be the frauds they are.
It got tiresome hearing all the bleating from media types about what VC should do, that he didn't deserve to be on the squad because he has missed most of the season, that the "right" thing to do would be to step aside and let Jordan start. (Although, as my colleague Stephen A. Smith points out, you'd think one Tar Heel would do another Tar Heel a favor like that.) I don't care what Charles Barkley or anybody else says, getting voted to the starting lineup by the fans is an honor. Or at least, it should be. It has value. It means that you are one of the 10 people we most want to see on the floor if given a chance.
Fans aren't stupid. They know that Carter has played in 12 games. Anyone that can read or watch TV knows that this is Jordan's last season. They decided they would rather see Carter than Jordan. That didn't make them un-American. And Jordan, who has made three or four lifetimes worth of fortunes because of the fans, knew this better than anyone. That's why he wouldn't accept the charity of Allen Iverson or Tracy McGrady, who both offered to give up their starting spots to him ("It would have been an honor," AI told me last week), and why he shouldn't have accepted once Carter bowed to all the noise and changed his mind.
People are so hypocritical when it comes to Vince. We kill athletes all the time because they supposedly don't value education, that they're only in it for the money. But when Carter opted to attend his graduation in North Carolina on the morning of the deciding game of the Eastern semis two years ago -- missing nothing but a couple of hours of brooding in his hotel room -- he was roasted. We say players are mercenaries, and don't care about the cities in which they live. But Carter is vilified in some circles because he genuinely likes Toronto and would rather live there, quietly, than in New York or L.A. We say athletes care nothing about the fans, ignoring them at every turn. But Carter makes a decision because of the fans, and he's called selfish.
The only thing more stupid was hearing people, somehow, twist this into some kind of attack on Isiah Thomas. What the hell does Thomas have to do with this, other than knowing first-hand how much one is vilified when he has the temerity to be on the other side of the Jordan Phenomenon. And if he tried to convince Carter that it wouldn't do him much good in the long run to stand in the way of what everyone seemed to want -- everyone except Jordan, that is -- good for Thomas.
MJ should’ve had that secret LeBalco sauce instead of a gambling habit and Latina fetish eh queers @fifth column @Sonic Boom of the South
Poor Vince. Having to give up your spot to an arthritic Cutino Mobley
Well, thank God we can get on with our lives.
Vince Carter gave up his starting spot in the All-Star Game. Does this mean he's a good guy now?
If only it were that simple, like pro wrestling, when a bad guy suddenly "turns" and becomes a good guy in the blink of an eye. Vince put Michael Jordan in a headlock on Sunday just before tipoff, and made Jordan go out there in his place, and he is suddenly not selfish, not boorish, not stupid.
Maybe he wasn't any of those things to begin with.
I understand we live in different times now, that part of the world of sports is the incessant talk culture, both on television and on radio. People are getting paid good money to just yak off the top of their heads about anything. I shouldn't take it personally. Vince shouldn't take it personally. But it's hard, I'm sure, to differentiate between earnest discussion and blowhards who only care about making it to the next commercial break before they're discovered to be the frauds they are.
It got tiresome hearing all the bleating from media types about what VC should do, that he didn't deserve to be on the squad because he has missed most of the season, that the "right" thing to do would be to step aside and let Jordan start. (Although, as my colleague Stephen A. Smith points out, you'd think one Tar Heel would do another Tar Heel a favor like that.) I don't care what Charles Barkley or anybody else says, getting voted to the starting lineup by the fans is an honor. Or at least, it should be. It has value. It means that you are one of the 10 people we most want to see on the floor if given a chance.
Fans aren't stupid. They know that Carter has played in 12 games. Anyone that can read or watch TV knows that this is Jordan's last season. They decided they would rather see Carter than Jordan. That didn't make them un-American. And Jordan, who has made three or four lifetimes worth of fortunes because of the fans, knew this better than anyone. That's why he wouldn't accept the charity of Allen Iverson or Tracy McGrady, who both offered to give up their starting spots to him ("It would have been an honor," AI told me last week), and why he shouldn't have accepted once Carter bowed to all the noise and changed his mind.
People are so hypocritical when it comes to Vince. We kill athletes all the time because they supposedly don't value education, that they're only in it for the money. But when Carter opted to attend his graduation in North Carolina on the morning of the deciding game of the Eastern semis two years ago -- missing nothing but a couple of hours of brooding in his hotel room -- he was roasted. We say players are mercenaries, and don't care about the cities in which they live. But Carter is vilified in some circles because he genuinely likes Toronto and would rather live there, quietly, than in New York or L.A. We say athletes care nothing about the fans, ignoring them at every turn. But Carter makes a decision because of the fans, and he's called selfish.
The only thing more stupid was hearing people, somehow, twist this into some kind of attack on Isiah Thomas. What the hell does Thomas have to do with this, other than knowing first-hand how much one is vilified when he has the temerity to be on the other side of the Jordan Phenomenon. And if he tried to convince Carter that it wouldn't do him much good in the long run to stand in the way of what everyone seemed to want -- everyone except Jordan, that is -- good for Thomas.
Aldridge: Vince should've taken a stand
Vince Carter did the wrong thing by giving in and letting Michael Jordan start the All-Star Game.
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MJ should’ve had that secret LeBalco sauce instead of a gambling habit and Latina fetish eh queers @fifth column @Sonic Boom of the South
Poor Vince. Having to give up your spot to an arthritic Cutino Mobley
So many players were better than Pippen in the 90s. And yet you saying they weren't and claiming i wasn't there
Barkley was >>>
Hakeem was >>>
Karl Malone was >>>
David Robinson was >>>
Shaq >>> Pippen
Including MJ you got at least 6 players who were unquestionably better in the 90s
And i would say Miller, Ewing and Drexler are arguable but pippen would get the edge over them slightly.
He was a top 10 player, not a top 2 player at any point in his career.
Reggie was way better than Scottie in playoffs and Ewing was better too. Drexler had seasons where he was better but it's closer there. I'd add Stockton and Payton to that list where Scottie not CLEARLY better but yeah despite MVP finish Scottie wasn't never better than prime Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, Robinson or Shaq. There random seasons where other players was better but ain't have better careers like healthy Penny and Grant Hill was clearly better than Scottie. Zo Mourning maybe.
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Ewing outplayed the shyt out em in that 94 series wit no MJ. Horace Grant was arguably the best Bull that series he def was the most efficient by far and best Bulls scorer that series. Ewing tied the game and then PJax said Scottie not like that lemme give the rock to Kukoc wit Scottie poutin on the bench
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
Out here getting balled up by investment bankers while LeBron is winning international MVP’s on a team of his 20 something year old peers
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Superstar
Out here getting balled up by investment bankers while LeBron is winning international MVP’s on a team of his 20 something year old peers
Stop wasting your time posting nonsense to me, I’m not invested in side stories about players like you are. I only care about competition and winning.
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
Sir just put the fries in the bag.
Out here getting balled up by investment bankers while LeBron is winning international MVP’s on a team of his 20 something year old peers
It was only the nikkas in they 30s that was gettin burn for Team USA. KD and Steph 36, AD 31, Jrue 34, Embiid and White 30. Book at 27 was the only one in 20s gettin serious minutes even Ant minutes started goin down deeper into it. Tatum and Hali was waterboys at 24 and 26. An athlete maintainin dominance in they 30s not that special in 2025 like it was in 05. Big advancements in medicine and health.
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You get money?
This dumb mafukka proving my fukking point.Yeah because if it was easy to come into the league and “accumulate stats” everyone would do it.
Form voltron? Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love?
Take your country bumpkin ass back to the swamp
Lebron ass accomplished less with all this extra time in the league. Being in the league at fukking 18 when Jordan was a college kid at that age and MJ still won more and the unanimous GOAT.
But you a African who ain't never been to America and only see NBA games 3 seasons behind while you chasing Chinese men in Shanxi Province.
You dusty ass self hating African that stay bashing Africa you bytch ass loser.
I'm not even reading the post you @ me in you dusty c00n.
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
We aren’t just talking about team USA we are talking about his international peers as well.
LeBron at 40 was the best player on the both ends of the court of anyone in the world.