All those cacalytics Bron stans loved to use back in the Kobe debate days came back round the other way

[HabitualChiller]

Bron stans loved usin shyt like P/R/A, PER and win share to make argument against Kobe back in the day. Now we seen Jokic, Giannis, SGA have some big seasons above that alot of those cacalytics Jokac flat out beat prime Bron seasons in and those nikkas don't bring up PER and win shares no more

That doesn't factor in defense or pace...

Prime Bron in the current era would probably average 32Pts/12Ast/9Reb on 55/38/70-75 with DPOY-caliber defense, and that's with me possibly selling his offense short because he'd be a point guard in this league.

 

[Mister Terrific]

Your man couldn't even get ONE three peat......not even one

Instead yall tried to make getting to the Finals an accomplishment.

LeBron went up against KD Warriors, not Greg Oostertag and a 35 year old Karl Malone.

Jordan the only MF in sports who is considered GOAT but don’t have one individual accomplishment.

 

[Ozymandeas]

LeBron went up against KD Warriors, not Greg Oostertag and a 35 year old Karl Malone.

Jordan the only MF in sports who is considered GOAT but don’t have one individual accomplishment.

LeBron COULD'VE played regular teams like everybody else.

But your man decided to create the Superteam Era

He didn't foresee Durant leaving Oklahoma though

 

[Sccit]

LOL @ ALL THE BRON GROUPIES IN THIS THREAD IGNORING THAT JOKIC IS OBJECTIVELY BETTER THAN LEBRON ANALYTICALLY

 

[DraymondT]

Power Forward ass nikkas are going to score more points at a higher clip than Shooting Guards

That's why Kareem and Karl Malone are high up on the scoring lists being big men.

On a side note, I watched LeBron's House Party movie. He had a scene where he was showing off his moves on the court. He did like 7 shots and all of them were dunks Couldn't even take a single jumper in a movie

His worst series always had great 7ft rim protectors and paint presence that could force him to take middies (Duncan, KG, Chandler, Bogut, Ayton, JJJ). His points and efficiency was way down against em and Bogut knee injury was big in 2016. He lucky the pace and space era came round later his career to inflate stays and teams started runnin 3s at the 4. Flower forwards and a lot of the 5s these days under 7ft too and not like that protectin rim would been whole other story in 90s. shyt Bron bigger and stronger than most centers today nikka even play the 5 at times he not doin all that in 90s. To his credit he did develop the 3 ball later in his career

 

[Mister Terrific]

LeBron COULD'VE played regular teams like everybody else.

But your man decided to create the Superteam Era

He didn't foresee Durant leaving Oklahoma though

Super teams were formed to stop a 23 year old

We know how you Marjorie Taylor Mambas like to rewrite history

 

[Harry B]

Is there anyone in modern times with as impressive stats as prime jokic?

Problem with doing everything is that this is a team sport. Like if you are playing point guard when you are a center, where is the center?
It was the same with Westbrook and non-analytical people were like "look at the their wins when westbrook has a triple double", but weren't smart enough to look at their wins when Westbrook as trying his best to get a triple double and failed.


And as far as % goes, he's a big man who occasionally shoots safe 3s so he'll dominate that too.
Other than that, he's also perhaps the best offensive player.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Is there anyone in modern times with as impressive stats as prime jokic?

Problem with doing everything is that this is a team sport. Like if you are playing point guard when you are a center, where is the center?
It was the same with Westbrook and non-analytical people were like "look at the their wins when westbrook has a triple double", but weren't smart enough to look at their wins when Westbrook as trying his best to get a triple double and failed.


And as far as % goes, he's a big man who occasionally shoots safe 3s so he'll dominate that too.
Other than that, he's also perhaps the best offensive player.

And the main advanced stat that favors Jokic is BPM, a stat that overinflates certain stats for centers so much that having a lot of assists as a big somehow reflects in your Defensive BPM and has noted mediocre defender Jokic at the top of that stat

The creator of the stat has had to fix it multiple times because of how it overinflates stats based on position, he even had to change how much rebounds matter for guards because that stat had Russ looking like the GOAT

 

[Torrential]

LOL @ ALL THE BRON GROUPIES IN THIS THREAD IGNORING THAT JOKIC IS OBJECTIVELY BETTER THAN LEBRON ANALYTICALLY

Lmfaoooo

“B b b it defense “

Paul Milsap took a nba all defense selection from LeBron

 

[Luke Cage]

THIS IS FALSE

KOBE TOOK WHAT HIS MENTOR GAVE HIM AND EXPANDED ON IT

BETTER HANDLES, BETTER SHOT, BETTER FOOTWORK, MORE AGILITY, MORE COUNTERS TO NAME A FEW

KOBE PROVED HE WAS BETTER THE MOMENT HE WON BACK TO BACK WIT LESS THAN MJ EVER WON WITH

IF KOBE HAS PIPPEN FOR HIS ENTIRE PRIME, HE WINS MORE THAN 6

THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEIR CAREERS IS THAT JORDAN WAS WORKING WITH MEDIA + MARKETING ON HIS SIDE (SIMILAR TO LEBRON), WHILE KOBE HAD TO WORK AGAINST MEDIA + MARKETING AFTER THE RAPE TRIAL TOOK HIM OUT AS THE FACE OF THE LEAGUE

FOR INSTANCE, IF MJ GETS CP3 IN 2011, DAVID STERN NEVER VETOS IT.. KOBE CONSTANTLY GOT THE SHORT END OF THE STICK N STILL DID WIT HE DID WIT THE ODDS STACKED AGAINST HIM

GOAT

People always overate pippen in order to try and make these arguments work

Pippen had the edge in defense and playmaking. but Pau was a more dominant Scorer and Rebounder than Pippen.

There is no guarantee Kobe would be more successful with one vs the other. Jordan could have possibly three peated twice with Gasol for all we know.

 

[Osmosis]

His worst series always had great 7ft rim protectors and paint presence that could force him to take middies (Duncan, KG, Chandler, Bogut, Ayton, JJJ). His points and efficiency was way down against em and Bogut knee injury was big in 2016. He lucky the pace and space era came round later his career to inflate stays and teams started runnin 3s at the 4. Flower forwards and a lot of the 5s these days under 7ft too and not like that protectin rim would been whole other story in 90s. shyt Bron bigger and stronger than most centers today nikka even play the 5 at times he not doin all that in 90s. To his credit he did develop the 3 ball later in his career

Bogut averaged 10 MPG in the 2016 finals and was a -34 when he was on the court with Bron His injury didn't mean shyt.

Your whole post is just factually incorrect. Lebron's one of the few players in NBA history whose scoring efficacy is great no matter how strong the defenses were.

 

[Sccit]

People always overate pippen in order to try and make these arguments work

Pippen had the edge in defense and playmaking. but Pau was a more dominant Scorer and Rebounder than Pippen.

There is no guarantee Kobe would be more successful with one vs the other. Jordan could have possibly three peated twice with Gasol for all we know.

LMFAOOOOO


WOW.... THIS DUDE ACTUALLY TRIED TO ACT LIKE THAT PIPPEN N PAU WERE EQUALS

NOW IVE SEEN IT ALL

 

[Luke Cage]

LMFAOOOOO


WOW.... THIS DUDE ACTUALLY TRIED TO ACT LIKE THAT PIPPEN N PAU WERE EQUALS

NOW IVE SEEN IT ALL

See how much people overrate pippens. Acting like its an insult to compare him of all people to Pau Gasol

Pippen was just Jimmy Butler without the ability to lead his own team to the finals.

Without MJ his career would have been worse than Jimmy Butlers

 

[Sccit]

See how much people overrate pippens. Acting like its an insult to compare him of all people to Pau Gasol

Pippen was just Jimmy Butler without the ability to lead his own team to the finals.

Without MJ his career would have been worse than Jimmy Butlers

BRO ARE U RETARDED? PIPPEN WAS CONSIDERED BY MANY THE 2ND BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE BEHIND MJ .. HE WAS LITERALLY AN MVP CANDIDATE + A DPOY CANDIDATE

PAU WAS A MEDIOCRE DEFENDER WHO NEVER EVEN AVERAGED ABOVE 18 PPG IN LA

STICK TO BASEBALL

 

[Luke Cage]

BRO ARE U RETARDED? PIPPEN WAS CONSIDERED BY MANY THE 2ND BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE BEHIND MJ .. HE WAS LITERALLY AN MVP CANDIDATE AND A 2 WAY PLAYER

PAU WAS A MEDIOCRE DEFENDER WHO NEVER EVEN AVERAGED ABOVE 18 PPG IN LA

STICK TO BASEBALL

Overrated players are always considered to be better than they actually were.

Pippen never finished top two in any mvp rankings. even during seasons when MJ wasn't playing. yet here you are saying he was considered the second best player in the league.