Allen Iverson or Charles Barkley?

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Its a scorer's league. We know Chuck can put a mediocre team on his back and put up 30 or 40 if he has to.

We still haven't seen Kawhi be THAT GUY. Is that his fault? Not really. The Spurs have a great group of guys around him. But we saw Chuck BE the system.

Idk if you can give the ball to Kawhi and say "win this series for us" and have him destroy his matchup like Chuck destroyed Kemp in '93.

Kawhi is MILES ahead as a defender obviously. But going up against Bron and KD...you're going to get roasted a lot of the time no matter how you defend them. Offense >>> Defense.

kawhi was pretty unstoppable in the playoffs, especially in crunch time.

there shouldn't be any doubt as to whether or not he's "the guy". he's the real deal.
 

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I agree about Chuck's greatness. But, at what point was this? I don't remember Charles being neck and neck with MJ or even being 2nd best in the NBA.

Barkley was defiantly considered the 2nd best players for a couple if years i think the and 91-92 92-93 and besides that he was always top 5
 

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Barkley was defiantly considered the 2nd best players for a couple if years i think the and 91-92 92-93 and besides that he was always top 5

Only in 1993 due to his MVP and the Suns success. No other years was he second best.

Karl Malone was top 5 in MVP voting NINE times and Charles was top 5 only FOUR times. From 1985 to his retirement , when it came MVP voting, only Malone was second to Jordan, winning 2 MVPs over Jordan during his reign. If anything Malone was second best,his stats and team record backs it up.

I agree Charles was always top 5.
 

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I'd of probably given it to Olajuwon in '93 for his two-way impact tbh. That was the first full season Rudy T took over, did away with Don Chaney's equal opportunity offense (without the necessary pieces to pull it off) and started running things principally through Hakeem. It began in earnest what we came to see from him during Clutch City's back-to-back runs in 94/95, not to mention they were basically screwed over in the Semis Game 7 against the Sonics during the '93 playoffs.

That isn't to say Round Mound should necessarily be without an NBA MVP in his trophy case though because he likely deserved it as much as anyone in 1990 leading a garbage Sixers team to 53 wins and more importantly even had more first place votes than the winner Magic Johnson (38-27) but somehow came in second place. I think there was some shyt about a few voters completely leaving him off their ballot because he was a NWA.

1989-90 was maybe the toughest MVP race ever. It's pretty amazing looking back at how many players had great years. Look at those candidates and their seasons:

1989-90 NBA Awards Voting | Basketball-Reference.com

David Robinson won Rookie of the Year, he averaged 24 PPG on 53% FG with 12 RPG and 4 BPG...and the Spurs went from 21-61 to 56-26. He finished SIXTH in MVP voting. That's how strong that year was.

Anyway, Barkley ranks higher than Iverson all-time and for peak play. Dude was ridiculously efficient to go with being a great scorer and rebounder, and good passer too. Unfortunately he was inconsistent on defense due to his laziness. He once said "it's not that I can't play defense, I just sometimes don't want to". But he was still a hell of a player when you look at the whole impact.
 

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Only in 1993 due to his MVP and the Suns success. No other years was he second best.

Karl Malone was top 5 in MVP voting NINE times and Charles was top 5 only FOUR times. From 1985 to his retirement , when it came MVP voting, only Malone was second to Jordan, winning 2 MVPs over Jordan during his reign. If anything Malone was second best,his stats and team record backs it up.

I agree Charles was always top 5.

Whatvever year was was the dream team barkley was considered the 2nd beat player in the league thatvyear too. He was there leading scorer matter of fact
 

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Charles Barkley ranks higher than Kobe Bryant in all-time greatness, despite Bryan't 5 titles to Barkley's zero. That would have been a better debate, particularly with the Kobe stans here who would lose their shyt over such a claim.
Iverson (while clearly the greater cultural impact) isn't even close.
 

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Charles Barkley ranks higher than Kobe Bryant in all-time greatness, despite Bryan't 5 titles to Barkley's zero. That would have been a better debate, particularly with the Kobe stans here who would lose their shyt over such a claim.
Iverson (while clearly the greater cultural impact) isn't even close.
For someone always bytching about Kobe stans you can never get his name out of your mouth

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O and Barkley by a mile


He was the best player on the 92 dream team as far as play
 

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Its tough...


I loved AI as a player, really changed the game in terms of style, attitude, gamestyle, etc...


But Charles in his prime was a BEAST. he was up there as one of the fastest, strongest players in the league and also one of the most skilled. He was like a fatter Lebron that couldn't avoid injuries and was actually shorter.

AI was tough man. Not even 6foot but would dunk on cats, cross them up, shoot over them, arguably one of the fastest players to ever play in the game, went against the best. And always fought against the odds. I actually felt like near the end of his career he was blackballed from the NBA which kinda humbled him.

Tough call Charles in his prime but AI overall I guess
 
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