Aloe Blacc's Song Was Played 168 Million Times on Pandora. He Received $4,000…

[BrothaZay]

Its really his fault.
I know people that done made more than that with just 168,000 views, let alone 168 million

 

[TheRtist]

Its really his fault.
I know people that done made more than that with just 168,000 views, let alone 168 million

oh really?

care to inform this loudmouth @The HONORABLE SKJ about these imaginary artists?

but first, tell me this, @BrothaZay did they have a Beyonce type backing?

 

[Slade]

This is wild. Damn we need a moneybusta for all these artists lying about how much money they make from certain avenues in music.

 

[BrothaZay]

oh really?

care to inform this loudmouth @The HONORABLE SKJ about these imaginary artists?

but first, tell me this, @BrothaZay did they have a Beyonce type backing?

producers

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I wouldn't want my new shyt on the sites either.

 

[Nigerianwonder]

This right here I've heard of plenty of indie artists who've made decent money from Spotify.

Her's a band that game spotify for 20k

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2014/05/album-that-earned-band-20000-removed-by-spotify.html

That pay per stream of 0.002 that they have is wrong, Spotify pays 0.006-0.0084 per stream

The aloe blac article is misleading cause it doesn't account for the total amount of money the label made off streaming. How much did pandora/ spotify pay interscope for that record? His beef should probably be with his label cause they money was paid out. He just aint getting a fair cut.

See this quote from an article about spotify payments.

http://business.time.com/2013/12/03/heres-how-much-money-top-musicians-are-making-on-spotify/


Some back-of-the-napkin math using Spotify’s listenership data and these royalty figures provides a sense for how much money the hottest songs in music are making for artists and labels right now. Here are the 10 most popular songs on Spotify the week before Thanksgiving, with an estimate of how much money they’ve generated in royalties since they were released:

1. The Monster / Eminem / 35.1 million streams / $210,000 – $294,000

2. Timber / Pitbull / 32.0 million streams / $192,000 – $269,000

3. Lorde / Royals / 65.3 million streams / $392,000 – $549,000

4. OneRepublic / Counting Stars / 57.7 million streams / $346,000 – $484,000

5. Avicii / Hey Brother / 46.5 million streams / $279,000 – $391,000

6. Miley Cyrus / Wrecking Ball / 60.4 million streams / $363,000 – $508,000

7. Katy Perry / Roar / 64.6 million streams / $388,000 – $543,000

8. Avicii / Wake Me Up / 152.1 million streams / $913,000 – $1.3 million

9. Drake / Hold On, We’re Going Home /47.1 million streams / $283,000 – $396,000

10. Ellie Goulding / Burn / 53.8 million streams / $323,000 – $452,000

Note that these are the total royalty payments split between record labels, music publishers, songwriters and artists. It’s not clear exactly how much money goes to artists, but in older distribution formats, like CDs and iTunes downloads, artists often pocketed less than 10 percent of the retail price.

 

[Big Boss]

 

[Vinny Lupton]

http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2014/11/06/spotify-5/

“Spotify Royalty Payments Outpace iTunes in Some Markets”

YouTube rips off artists worse than Spotify is perceived to do. But somehow YouTube is a panacea and Spotify is the enemy. And those in power know this, read Adele’s manager Jonathan dikkins’s comments here:

“‘Spotify have always been pictured as the bad guys in this, but the biggest music streamer out there is YouTube, without a doubt,” he said, pointing out that when artists or labels remove music from Spotify, it is often still easy to find it on YouTube.

dikkens is dealing with practical reality, wanker musicians are living in a fantasy world. First and foremost, Spotify is a piracy killer. As Michael Eisner once said, 10% of the public will never pay, but the rest…convenience triumphs, Spotify users stop stealing, because everything’s there.

To reinforce the point, what is the alternative?

Let’s say we kill Spotify and other streaming services. That will drive people to YouTube where artists get paid less, and P2P where they don’t get paid at all.

Sure, we’d all like to live in a perfect world where everybody pays $15 for an album’s worth of music, but we’d also like to live in a world where gas is a dollar a gallon and you can get somebody to fix your gadgets. Things change. Something is lost in every march forward. To cry about the loss of the past is to marginalize yourself. Yes, artists are marginalizing themselves keeping their music off Spotify, they certainly are not helping themselves. Sure, sales continue, but not for long. Know anybody using a dialup modem these days?

Then there’s the music publisher Kobalt, which represents superstars Max Martin and Paul McCartney amongst many others, the company says “its writers earned 13% more from Spotify streams in Europe during the first quarter of 2014 than they did from iTunes downloads on the continent.”

iTunes is dying. The main culprit is YouTube, but Luddites not only blame Spotify, they want a return to a service they decried at inception. Suddenly the album was unbundled, revenues were down, remember when iTunes was the enemy?

Spotify won’t be the enemy for long. It’s always the same. Time marches on and new services gain scale, Jonathan dikkens knows this, but somehow Davids Byrne and Lowery do not. We idolize musicians, successful ones trump techies in adulation, but that does not make them right. Furthermore, these old acts are victims of bad deals where the lion’s share of the dough goes to the label.

As for Aloe Blacc decrying his songwriting royalties…they’re calculated differently for radio than choose your own track services. In other words, songwriting royalties are higher on Spotify. However, they are still anemic as a percentage of overall revenue.

How could Jonathan dikkens be so right and the rabble-rousers online be so wrong?

And I have sympathy for dikkens and Scott Borchetta at Big Machine when they desire to have their wares removed from Spotify’s free tier. The only problem is that eradicates all the progress Spotify has made against piracy. Put it behind a paywall and people will find a way to steal it. Or they’ll just stream it on YouTube for less, or nothing. And Spotify’s conversion rate, from free to paid, increased when they made the mobile app free!

I’m not being paid by Spotify. I’m just dispassionately looking at the facts. Hell, if the labels had approved the U.S. launch of Spotify before music on YouTube got traction, the service would have even more paying customers.

People who put brakes on the future end up screwing themselves.

Streaming is here to stay. Revenues will only go up. The goal is to get as many people to pay as possible, to increase the pot. Tech is all about scale. There are billions of people in the world, tech reaches almost all of them, a few shekels from all trumps a lot of shekels from a few. Yes, getting everybody to pay for streaming trumps getting a few to overpay for ownership.

But that’s hard for artists to understand. Who yearn for a world where the label would be their daddy, where radio would force feed their product to fans so not only would albums sell, the acts could tour.

But the labels were hurt by P2P which they could not even see. Radio has so many competitors that a good percentage of the public has never even heard #1. And the barrier to entry is so low that artists today are competing with many more competitors, never mind the complete history of recorded music, and the audience is overwhelmed by choice.

Spotify puts some discipline in the system. Its playlists add coherence. It pays artists.

If you can’t see this as a good thing, you’re blind.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is wild. Damn we need a moneybusta for all these artists lying about how much money they make from certain avenues in music.

that might get people killed on some real shyt

 

[Danie84]

But you Coli A&Rs said Pandora was another revenue for artists to cake off

 

[thernbroom]

When Taylor Swift yanked her catalog from Spotify earlier this week, fans knew there was trouble (x2) brewing between the multiplatinum pop artist and the streaming music service, which has been criticized for its hair-thin sharing margins.

Now speaking out for the first time in an interview with Yahoo News, Swift reveals why she decided to remove all her albums, and her M.O. falls very much in line with what artists like Thom Yorke and David Byrne of the Talking Heads have been saying all along. Here's Swift delicately setting the table, doilies and all:

If I had streamed the new album, it's impossible to try to speculate what would have happened. But all I can say is that music is changing so quickly, and the landscape of the music industry itself is changing so quickly, that everything new, like Spotify, all feels to me a bit like a grand experiment.

And then she brings out the heart-shaped sledgehammer:

...I'm not willing to contribute my life's work to an experiment that I don't feel fairly compensates the writers, producers, artists, and creators of this music. And I just don't agree with perpetuating the perception that music has no value and should be free.
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[darealvelle]

Pandora is free promotion for a lot of artist though. How many artist have we all discovered on pandora, that we probably would not have listen to if it was not for the service. I can only see it being a negative for maybe an established artist.

 

[Danie84]

Artists never made money off albums or songs bought anyway, it's their performances that profits

 

[The_Sheff]

Dude is a song writer, not the artist. Has any light been shed on the split the artist gets as opposed to the song writer? If as the writer you are already getting a small cut from Pandora then you split that 3 ways of course you aint seeing shyt. But you know the labels are getting a lot more than that off those streams so the artists and songwriters need to negotiate streaming royalties as part of their deals.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Major artists should all pull their music from streaming sites and demand ad revenue % imo...