So what was the point of posting this low hanging fruit?
Alt-Righters making their case
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southpawstyle
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@DEAD7 We don't agree on much, but I think we can agree that every economic system/governmental experiment sounds good in theory but is eventually corrupted by opportunistic people. Communism and Capitalism are the easy ones to point to. I'm wondering what racial power dynamics would change with no federal government
southpawstyle
Superstar
fukk a free market, and a free marketplace for ideasWhat do you have against the market place of ideas?
Short term I believe we would see the damage done to the black nuclear family slowly repaired and our sense of community restored, out of necessity.
We are all we got, and its difficult to see and conduct ourselves as such with the state injected Novocaine.
"It’s like when you go to the dentist, and the man’s going to take your tooth. You’re going to fight him when he starts pulling. So he squirts some stuff in your jaw called novocaine, to make you think they’re not doing anything to you. So you sit there and, ‘cause you’ve got all of that novocaine in your jaw, you suffer peacefully. Blood running all down your jaw, and you don’t know what’s happening. ‘Cause someone has taught you to suffer peacefully.
The white man do the same thing to you in the street, when he wants to put knots on your head and take advantage of you and don’t have to be afraid of your fighting back. To keep you from fighting back, he gets these old religious Uncle Toms to teach you and me, just like novocaine, “suffer peacefully.” Don’t stop suffering—just suffer peacefully. As Reverend Cleage pointed out, “Let your blood flow In the streets.” This is a shame. And you know, he’s a Christian preacher, if it’s a shame to him, you know what it is to me!"
-Malcolm X
... and to be clear i'd like a greatly diminished govt. not complete removal.
southpawstyle
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I appreciate you clarifying breh. I don't think everyone here has a liberal bias. Most people just criticize without discussing their ideas/soultions.Short term I believe we would see the damage done to the black nuclear family slowly repaired and our sense of community restored, out of necessity.
We are all we got, and its difficult to see and conduct ourselves as such with the state injected Novocaine.
"It’s like when you go to the dentist, and the man’s going to take your tooth. You’re going to fight him when he starts pulling. So he squirts some stuff in your jaw called novocaine, to make you think they’re not doing anything to you. So you sit there and, ‘cause you’ve got all of that novocaine in your jaw, you suffer peacefully. Blood running all down your jaw, and you don’t know what’s happening. ‘Cause someone has taught you to suffer peacefully.
The white man do the same thing to you in the street, when he wants to put knots on your head and take advantage of you and don’t have to be afraid of your fighting back. To keep you from fighting back, he gets these old religious Uncle Toms to teach you and me, just like novocaine, “suffer peacefully.” Don’t stop suffering—just suffer peacefully. As Reverend Cleage pointed out, “Let your blood flow In the streets.” This is a shame. And you know, he’s a Christian preacher, if it’s a shame to him, you know what it is to me!"
-Malcolm X
What do you have against the market place of ideas?
Nothing is wrong with the free marketplace of ideas. But just like the actual free market, bad business models should fail. You just presented the equivalent of bringing back Blockbuster to the HL boardroom. And got a collective
Various posters proceeded to rend the idea using logic, reason, and historical examples. And your defense to that is
"All ideas should be discussed like they have equal merit"
No. This is foolish. It's called having a objectivity bias. It's how bad ideas flourish on both sides. Treating half baked ideas that have no basis in logic or reason with consideration is how we wound up in this Idiocracy.
So I ask you to either play devil's advocate and defend this garbage with reason and logic or stop posting this BS.
So you just gonna ignore the rest of that postThis is the way it should be.
Yes.So you just gonna ignore the rest of that post
The discussion itself is the goal. I am not attempting to make a point or push any idea/narrative.
That said, i wouldn't call tribalism(which is what this is) half baked.
I also never offered a defense of any kind for white nationalist. I simply think all arguments/positions should be welcome in the market place of ideas, and sink or swim based solely on their own merit.
This one, in America at least is obviously sinking.
What about this do you find so obnoxious?
southpawstyle
Superstar
Liberals triggered the alt-right, and the alt-right is pushing actual progressives left. "You cant be neutral on a moving train" no matter how bad Napoleon wants to cape for Trump and Clinton at the same time. Our options will be a nationalism based off of racism, or a unified working class willing to put individual struggles aside to keep our feet to the bankers necks. The more people cry about free speech the more I laugh....I gotta go take a political compass test.
Crayola Coyote
Superstar
when the white dude was like Asians can go tooShe was like, "what if they're culturally American?" White dude was like, "Yeah, I understand but still
Hell, you want to be white, go back to Europe
-Blacks, including Haitians, and Native Americans played fundamental roles in securing American liberty in the American revolution.
-Whites invaded this land, and most of the whites sent here were considered religious nuts or dregs of society
-Most of the infrastructure in this country was built by blacks, from South Beach to Manhattan to Chicago down to Houston.
-Whites couldn't produce the resources needed to sustain the American economy without the free labor of blacks
-If it weren't for blacks on the frontlines we'd be a German country by now. Technically speaking, America has never won an international/domestic war without a strong black presence on the frontlines
-Whites systematically destroyed numerous prominent nonwhite communities within American in and of itself. Claim ethnonationalism yet destroy any attempt of self empowerment by any other culture
There's a much stronger argument for sending the leeches back to Europe. Couldn't produce without black labor, wouldn't exist without black soldiers, can somebody explain to me what white people are actually needed for? List of countries destabilized by whites off the top of my head:
Haiti
Jamaica
Venezuela
Vietnam
China
South Africa
Congo
Argentina
Honduras
Panama
I'm all for ethno nationalism. All the whites should pack up and go to Europe. Every other region of the world should cut off trade with Europe. And let that be that, see who cries daddy first
Imagine if this was in a college class with 200 students saying this. Serving Ether shots with lime..
Yes.
The discussion itself is the goal. I am not attempting to make a point or push any idea/narrative.
That said, i wouldn't call tribalism(which is what this is) half baked.
I also never offered a defense of any kind for white nationalist. I simply think all arguments/positions should be welcome in the market place of ideas, and sink or swim based solely on their own merit.
This one, in America at least is obviously sinking.
What about this do you find so obnoxious?
say you're not offering a defense, but then defend posting this up for discussion under the guise of "all arguments/positions should be welcome in the market place of ideas"
no, some things shouldn't be welcomed or presented for serious debate / discussion when they're clearly halfbaked and just wrong. this tripe is an example of that.
this is in the same bucket as saying we should entertain discussion on the merits of being a pedophile or the merits of slavery.
it's transparent you see some merit or have some sympathy towards their pov or you wouldn't have posted it.
it's obnoxious and distasteful for a "moderator" to offer any defense for starting a thread like this on some "let's hear them out"
this is not higher learning worthy and imo it's a bad look for a mod to make any case this a topic worth serious discussion.
Imagine if this was in a college class with 200 students saying this. Serving Ether shots with lime..
Breh the facts clearly show who is needed and who is not, DC was designed by a black man, built by blacks. Chicago was founded by a black man. Black buffalo soldiers cleared the frontier for white settlers. Cotton gin was invented by blacks, Tennessee whiskey recipes made by blacks, two principle sources of original wealth for the south. The railroads in the East Coast and the Midwest built by blacks, source of wealth for the Northerners. We can really get into it if it's necessary. Tell all those ethno-nationalist to pack their sh*t up and go to Europe. Go practice your trades, farming, and mining there. Without NAFTA and TPP let's see how well these f*cks do. They force their corn, milk, and beans down the throat of other countries with their "free trade" regulations. Their power is through nepotism, cronyism, and corruption, they can't survive in a fair and efficient market. Their currency is fiat paper. They destroy the environment, poison the soil, I could go on and on. Blacks would glady raise 1 billion dollars tomorrow to ship all these ethnonationalists back to Europe and let them fester in the tundra somewhere on their own, good f*cking riddance.
