Amazon officially opens its first cashierless convenience store

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Is it just me or are self checkout areas less used than the ones with humans?

I've noticed that people who have full baskets will go to human lanes and I suspect it's because it's more convenient. If I can load up an entire basket and simply scan items as I'm putting them into the basket, there would be no lanes to worry about.
 

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And how does one push back? With their money?

It's a free market breh, we all bought into this philosophy. You can't reject it now that some are affected. We just have to adapt.

However, there's a reason why there are labor unions and more people need to start joining these unions to push the government - to create more regulations for industries, on human quota. RFID isn't even a new technology (I did a module on it in my first year at Uni years ago) and the reason why it took time to take off is because people pushed back on it. They're just using it more now because people are embracing technology more than they did in the past and they're trying to get it into our everyday life through the backdoor.

Anyway, this is a summary of a review by MIT on how technology is destroying jobs: How Technology Is Destroying Jobs
 

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What would you propose as an alternative to this technology. Paying humans to do something that technology can handle far more efficiently isn't a good business model.
There is no alternative, but what you can do is incentivize high tech learning in schools. That or very specific trades

Shift the workforce into Jobs that are better prepared for the future. Subsidize post-secondary education or make it outright free for those under a certain income bracket.

Stop privatizating infrastructure and open up those jobs to citizens. There will always be a need to update and maintain infrastructure across America. We want solar energy to take over? Why can't America jumpstart the renewable energy sector? Solar panel production should be a common job.

There are jobs to be had..
 
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What would you propose as an alternative to this technology. Paying humans to do something that technology can handle far more efficiently isn't a good business model.
I've posted it before, if a company makes 100mill in profit one year and then 90mill in profit th next year, its considered bad business. Even though for the year everyone's salary was paid, new assets were aquired and all expenses were satisfied, and they have for an extra 90 million laying around, on top of the 100 mill the made the year before , the company needs to be refined and improved. Even though they have an extra 190 million dollars laying around, people have to get fired or positions have to be eliminated or salaries have to be reduced. There is more than enough money out here for everybody, how many graphs and pie charts have to get made? The only system is to curb greed and wealth hoarding, which wealthy people have staunchly opposed, hence them getting politicians elected who will make sure they DONT have to part ways with the fortunes they've amassed.
Yeah you can pay a machine $2 to do something that it would cost $5 if a kid did it, but that kid is a human being who should be able to enjoy his/her life and make a contribution to society and learn basic employment skills. That's worth an extra $3 to me, but not to corporate big wigs. Bevause if they paid the kid $5 instead of the $2 machine, then they would only make $20,000,000 salary instead of $35,000,000, and they reeeaaallly need that extra 15 million in their bank account in case they want another house, or to buy some property for their children, or get another politician elected.
 

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However, there's a reason why there are laborr unions and more people need to start joining these unions to push the government - to create more regulations for industries, on human quota. RFID isn't even a new technology (I did a module on it in my first year at Uni years ago) and the reason why it took time to take off is because people pushed back on it. They're just using it more now because people are embracing technology more than they did in the past and they're trying to get it into our everyday life through the backdoor.

Anyway, this is a summary of a review by MIT on how technology is destroying jobs: How Technology Is Destroying Jobs
This is what I think will happen too. Universal income won't happen because we are biologically hardwired to need to have a purpose so just standing around won't do I think.
 

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I've posted it before, if a company makes 100mill in profit one year and then 90mill in profit th next year, its considered bad business. Even though for the year everyone's salary was paid, new assets were aquired and all expenses were satisfied, and they have for an extra 90 million laying around, on top of the 100 mill the made the year before , the company needs to be refined and improved. Even though they have an extra 190 million dollars laying around, people have to get fired or positions have to be eliminated or salaries have to be reduced. There is more than enough money out here for everybody, how many bad graphs and pie charts have to get made? The only system is to curb greed and wealth hoarding, which wealthy people have staunchly opposed, hence them getting politicians elected who will make sure they DONT have to part ways with the fortunes they've amassed.

Your proposed solution is that companies should stop being greedy.
 

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This is what I think will happen too. Universal income won't happen because we are biologically hardwired to need to have a purpose so just standing around won't do I think.
You guys need to look at other socially advanced nations as a reference. UBI should only be used as a temporary solution to hold the tide until the the right type of jobs are more common
 
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This is what I think will happen too. Universal income won't happen because we are biologically hardwired to need to have a purpose so just standing around won't do I think.

Obviously.

When human survival instinct kicks in - humans will fight back and start tearing this shyt down. Our survival and earning wages are intertwined and where there are no jobs, how are humans going to survive?

Also, the working class and middle class are the backbone of every economy. Once you eliminate their earning potential, how's the economy also going to survive? The whole thing is a precipice for chaos and anarchy.
 

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And how does one push back? With their money?

It's a free market breh, we all bought into this philosophy. You can't reject it now that some are affected.
The rich push back against technology that hurts the business community(while being better for humans and the planet that we live on) all of the time. We have the technology for electric cars. There's no reason for us to drive these gas guzzlers other than it being good for business. We’ve had the technology to make light bulbs that never go out for over a century, but it’s bad for business so it’s not on the market. What’s one of the first things that trump did when he took over? He withdraw the USA from the Paris climate agreement. Trump is fossil fuel guy who doesn’t really support the development of technology in reference to clean and renewable energy.

My point is that if the public came together and put their money/voice behind pushing back against some of this technology, it would work.
 

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Slowly but surely moving closer to the mark of the beast.


Anyway, this type of technology takes away human jobs. Now how will high school and college students save up any money to help them on their feet?

Young, black joblessness is at a disgraceful high, but, let the Tony the Tiger in Chief tell you; black unemployment is as good today as it was in the 70's when we were on the come up and damn near gentrifying white neighborhood
 
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If computers can do the job better than humans, there's no point in having humans do these jobs.

More qualified humans replacing bottom of the barrel ass humans with with computers and technology. I hate retail workers.

This is exactly a case of computers doing a better job. There is nothing for cashiers to do other than scan your food. They don't provide customer service. This isn't the DMV. It's scanning a barcode.

I'm a software developer. Human customer service will continue to exist in markets where it's demanded. Technology ending an industry is only bad in that it eliminates jobs for millions of people, continuing to do something that's inefficient for the sake of keeping people employed is backwards thinking.

You do understand that no job is safe?

While I do believe it is inevitable that humans will be pushed out of the workforce en masse as technological advances are made in machine learning AI, that does not mean things will be smooth AT ALL.

Judging by the lagging response by government to adapt it's people and systems to an ever-changing world barring aid in natural disasters and wars (which is about the only two things that governments are good at), the UBI will come much later than sooner when needed.

There are devastating societal issues that have STILL not been tended to and in essence, ignored - such as the mounting evidence of homeless and/or mentally ill people with no help, racial inequality issues, gender inequality issues, financial sector bedlam (bailing banks with tax payer money), inefficient spending and more. It's 2018 and our president is Donald Trump.

What this shows is that just because technology increases at a faster rate that can benefit us in terms of convenience - what about the societal quandaries that plague humans? Will a robot be able to fix the divide between countries that have been in a religious war for centuries? Will a robot be able to ease the tensions between the haves and the have-nots or do you think the haves will utilize the technology to further the divide between the two?

As a software developer, you should be very wary. Actually 99% of the people in the world should very worried.

Machine learning AI learns in essentially the same way a baby learns from birth to adulthood - except much more methodical, more resilient, more adaptive and MUCH faster than it's human counterpart. Therefore, the occupations that humans believed were untouchable by robots/AI are now no longer safe.

Robots can't be creative. False.
Robots can't possibly write entire programs by themselves. False.
Robots can't do jobs that require high level of abstract thinking. FALSE

I will link a video that explains the reach of machine learning AI, but simply put, no one is safe - even the people who have created the AI.

I hope that my view of the future is entirely wrong but I very much doubt it.

Think more Elysium than Wall-E.
 
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