Amazon's HQ2 moving to Northern VA and NYC; 2/14: Amazon pulls out of NYC after public backlash!

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It's a good deal for nyc. Tax incentives is far different than subsidies. The majority of those 25k jobs will be 90k+ so all that extra money in taxes and sales tax, and community boost is more than welcome.

People acting like 25k well paying jobs just pops out of the sky:stopitslime:
 

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It's a good deal for nyc. Tax incentives is far different than subsidies. The majority of those 25k jobs will be 90k+ so all that extra money in taxes and sales tax, and community boost is more than welcome.

People acting like 25k well paying jobs just pops out of the sky:stopitslime:
NYC unemployed is under 5%. It's not necessary especially at that price.
Plus Amazon getting bigger means how many jobs and small business killed because they can't compete? Especially having to pay business taxes Amazon doesn't have to pay?
 

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Jeff Bezos to employees: 'One day, Amazon will fail' but our job is to delay it as long as possible
  • Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos told employees, in response to a question at an all-hands meeting last week, that the company is not "too big to fail."
  • Bezos was asked a similar question at an internal meeting in March about Amazon's size and the potential for government regulation.
  • Bezos is addressing the concerns as Amazon prepares to expand into two new headquarters locations in New York and Virginia.
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Published 3:39 PM ET Thu, 15 Nov 2018 Updated 6:54 PM ET Thu, 15 Nov 2018 CNBC.com


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Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, founder of space venture Blue Origin and owner of The Washington Post, participates in an event hosted by the Air Force Association September 19, 2018 in National Harbor, Maryland

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Just days before Amazon announced the big winners of its HQ2sweepstakes, CEO Jeff Bezos had to address a separate but related concern among employees: Where is all this headed?

At an all-hands meeting last Thursday in Seattle, an employee asked Bezos about Amazon's future. Specifically, the questioner wanted to know what lessons Bezos has learned from the recent bankruptcies of Sears and other big retailers.

"Amazon is not too big to fail," Bezos said, in a recording of the meeting that CNBC has heard. "In fact, I predict one day Amazon will fail. Amazon will go bankrupt. If you look at large companies, their lifespans tend to be 30-plus years, not a hundred-plus years."

The key to prolonging that demise, Bezos continued, is for the company to "obsess over customers" and to avoid looking inward, worrying about itself.

"If we start to focus on ourselves, instead of focusing on our customers, that will be the beginning of the end," he said. "We have to try and delay that day for as long as possible."

Bezos' comments come at a time of unprecedented success at Amazon, with its core retail business continuing to grow while the company is winning the massive cloud-computing market and gaining rapid adoption of its Alexa voice assistant in the home.

But some employees are expressing concern about the pace of expansion. Amazon's workforce has grown by more than 20-fold in the last eight years to over 600,000 employees, and the stock price has more than quadrupled since 2013.

The company has caught the ire of President Trump, who has employed personal attacks against Bezos, and is now catching flack for demanding that cities spend a year coming up with a roster of incentives attractive enough to woo Amazon's HQ2. This week, the company announced it will open offices in New York's Long Island City and the Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C., with plans to add 25,000 jobs in each location.



This isn't the first time that Bezos has addresssed the issue of his company's scale with employees. In an earlier all-hands meeting in March, Bezos was asked whether tech companies like Amazon need to be more closely regulated because of their sizable market power and influence.

"It's a fact that we're a large company," Bezos said, according to a recording. "It's reasonable for large institutions of any kind, whether it be companies or governments, to be scrutinized."

Several Amazon employees, who agreed to speak with CNBC on condition that they not be named because they're not authorized to talk about the issue, said that government regulation and the potential for antitrust violations are big concerns among staffers as they look at the company's future.

Amazon is expected to capture 48 percent of all online sales in the U.S. this year, up from 43 percent in 2017, according to eMarketer. Its AWS service is by far the leader in cloud computing infrastructure, capturing about 34 percent of the U.S. market, Synergy Research Group said in a recent report.

An Amazon spokesperson didn't comment on the all-hands meeting. Regarding potential antitrust issues, the representative pointed to a Wall Street Journal interview with Jeff Wilke, Amazon's CEO of the worldwide consumer division, in which Wilke said the company is engaged in a diverse group of businesses and accounts for "less than 1 percent" of the global retail market.





Bezos said at the March employee meeting that the best way to respond to increased scrutiny is to "conduct ourselves in such a way that when we are scrutinized we will pass with flying colors."

However, Bezos also stressed the importance of distinguishing Amazon's story so that it doesn't get "bundled together" with other tech companies. For example, he said, Amazon has a "good story" to tell around how it's "improving the lives of customers." And it also has a very different business model than its tech peers.

"Facebook is not the same as Google, and Apple is not the same as Amazon," Bezos said. "I don't want to fight this kind of big tech impression — I want to just talk about Amazon."

But employees have good reasons to feel unsettled. Just last week, President Trump told Axios that his administration is looking into antitrust violations by Amazon, following up on similar statements he's made about the company dating back to his presidential campaign. Meanwhile, regulators in Europe opened an antitrust probe questioning Amazon's use of merchant data, and Japanese officials are also reportedly investigating the company over antitrust allegations.



At last week's meeting, Bezos did choose to have a little fun with his answer on how Amazon can survive and thrive. He said that when looking to the types of companies that have made it the longest, they tend to sell a particular type of alcohol.

"Most of the companies that are multi-hundred year old companies are breweries," he said with a laugh. "It's very interesting — I'm not sure what that says about society."
 

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I understand the frustration in this thread but I guess there is an analogy that comes to mind.

Casino's always comp free stuff to high-rollers. People who aren't high-rollers complain because the high-rollers can already afford it. However, the reason that the Casino is comping free stuff to the high-roller isn't because the casino only cares about rich people. It is rather because they did a cost-benefit analysis and the house will make its money back 10-fold over time with these individuals.

Are people certain that this is not the case with Amazon? If Amazon gets a $2B tax break before bringing in $10B in taxes, does NYC not get $8B that it wouldn't have had previously? Is it right to complain that the tax-break uses money that could've been used for the MTA, public schools, subsidized housing, etc if the deal results in more tax dollars overall which can better fund the MTA, public schools, subsidized housing, etc?
 

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Watched this last night. So Amazon:
  1. Is bilking NY and VA with unpaid taxes
  2. There is circumstantial evidence the entire competition was fake and they were moving to NY and VA the entire time
  3. They got 230 + cities to reveal secret proprietary information about city plans on economic development they can use as an advantage over other retails competitors or sell to them for billions.
  4. They are opening new satellite offices not headquarters. By definition headquarters can only be one place and they already have it in Seattle
Seriously, if you can't see how hard they gamed willing local governments I don't know what to say. :hubie:
:wow: @Motife43 cold game
 

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Oh shut the fukk up with this nonsense. She isn’t doing nothing but keeping a mindset of being poor. Amazon average software salary is
121K base salary + $19K annual bonus +$33K annual equity + $30K signing bonus

Amazon product manager salary is 115k plus bonus

And NYC just got 25k of these jobs, and she keeps bytching about please don’t bring these jobs here.


How the hell do 25k people even fit into the facility it will be that large? And could you imagine why so many software devs and product managers...25k?? That's humongous...
 

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Man I read the package that Georgia was going to give Amazon. Might as well rename the city and state as Amazon, Georgia :hhh:

Dodged a bullet. Atlanta should continue to try to get Euro automakers to put their North American HQ in Atlanta.

Porshce, Mercedes-Benz and a few others have a major presence there. Need to go after BMW next.
 

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I understand the frustration in this thread but I guess there is an analogy that comes to mind.

Casino's always comp free stuff to high-rollers. People who aren't high-rollers complain because the high-rollers can already afford it. However, the reason that the Casino is comping free stuff to the high-roller isn't because the casino only cares about rich people. It is rather because they did a cost-benefit analysis and the house will make its money back 10-fold over time with these individuals.

Are people certain that this is not the case with Amazon? If Amazon gets a $2B tax break before bringing in $10B in taxes, does NYC not get $8B that it wouldn't have had previously? Is it right to complain that the tax-break uses money that could've been used for the MTA, public schools, subsidized housing, etc if the deal results in more tax dollars overall which can better fund the MTA, public schools, subsidized housing, etc?
This is a radical inversion of how the system is supposed to work. NYC or Virginia or any other city isn't supposed to prostrate themselves at the feet of corporations so as to become the beneficiary of an act of corporate benevolence, the corporation is supposed to healthily integrate into its social and communal environment, grateful that it is able to prosper in that environment. If it cannot integrate healthily, and the corporation's actions or presence is harming the citizenry, the state is well within its rights and duties to push back. The citizens should be the primary beneficiary, the stockholders should be secondary.

Using your analogy, there should be absolutely no reason or incentive for the state to kickback that $2B. First of all, it's cronyism and anti-competitive because no other company is benefitting from that special condition. Secondly, it promotes a race to the bottom in which that $2B will inevitably get higher and higher because you're letting the corporation dictate the terms. Thirdly, taxes are the costs you pay for the privilege of living (or operating, if you're a corporation) in a society. The rate is set, and you pay it. That $2B being unilaterally gifted to Amazon belongs to the people, and was collected under the agreement that it would go towards the issues decided upon by the people. If the pro-Amazon politicians believe the taxes are too high, or that certain corporations should get perks, they should make the case to the people by going through the legislature. Otherwise, tell Amazon that this is our rate, and you pay it or you kick rocks. But going through the legislature requires consent from the people, which is problematic if your operating model is corruption and theft. This is all made the more egregious by the fact that Amazon is perhaps the largest tax avoider in corporate history. They pay nothing back to the society that provides them with their entire business lifeblood. It has been forgotten - conveniently for Amazon - that the people (should) hold the power over corporations.
 

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fukk jeff bezos and the so called jobs, this is terrible for both cities, look what happened to seattle. homless will increase, housing will go up, the jobs will be offset by the corporate welfare, thats what it is, no type of spin can account for paying for this rich cac helipad
 

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Man, the gentrification game is about to ramp up something fierce here in DC. Anacostia is pretty much gonna be looking like Old Town Alexandria in a few years.:francis:
 

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Ny will get screwed & just maybe the attorney general of ny will make an example of them later on
 
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