America is Regressing into a Developing Nation for Most People

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All this thread has let me know is that there is a class war coming in this country and it will be brutal and somehow, the middle class will get the worst of it.

The working class will consider everyone who has more than them the enemy and the wealthy will consider anyone who is not wealthy like them lazy moochers.

And caught in the middle will be the middle class who just want the opportunity to be wealthy but also don't want to be poor and breaking their backs while others either live in splendor or live off their hard work.

It's all fukked up :mjcry:
 

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The entire system is like it is because people who make interest off of capital want it that way.

As long as the people in power have access to enormous wealth, and want to make money doing nothing while that wealth earns interest, then they will continue to manipulate the system to ensure that as many people take out loans for as much money as possible and as long as possible. They MUST feed the interest-based system.

That's why you get deductions for mortgage interest - so that the interest-monster can be fed.

That's why capital gains taxes are less than high-end income taxes - so that the interest-monster can be fed.

That's why the Fed sets interest rates where it does and does everything it can to keep down inflation - so that the interest-monster can be fed.

That's why everything is designed to encourage you to take out that mortgage, get that car loan, take out those school loans, get that business loan, etc....


What message does it send if we forgive a ton of debt? Maybe we throw a wrench in that system. Just a small one.

But honestly, we need to do a hell of a lot more.
Thing is I've probably only really sat down and learned this for myself, in the past year or two. Had I known how to deal with interest as a teenager, I'd be close to balling out of control right now. Having an interest based economy isnt a bad thing per se, but I think America needs to a better job of educating it's citizens on how to be somewhat financially literate, by the time they leave hs. Because if you tell a 16 year old living at home, working at mcdonalds, that by saving and investing most of their income for a few years, that by age 30-35 they'd be a lot closer to complete financial Independence for the rest of their life. I think a lot more people would at least attempt to follow that path. Instead we see swarms of people with less than $1000 to their name.
 
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I'll have to read that book.....which betrays my status somewhat in that dual economy talked about in the article, ironically enough.

Insightful, accurate (in my belief) comments on interest based economy, it's helpful seeing these ideas expressed in black and white, to help form my own arguments and opinions.
 

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All this thread has let me know is that there is a class war coming in this country and it will be brutal and somehow, the middle class will get the worst of it.

The working class will consider everyone who has more than them the enemy and the wealthy will consider anyone who is not wealthy like them lazy moochers.

And caught in the middle will be the middle class who just want the opportunity to be wealthy but also don't want to be poor and breaking their backs while others either live in splendor or live off their hard work.

It's all fukked up :mjcry:

What is the "middle class"?
 

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What is the "middle class"?


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Thing is I've probably only really sat down and learned this for myself, in the past year or two. Had I known how to deal with interest as a teenager, I'd be close to balling out of control right now. Having an interest based economy isnt a bad thing per se, but I think America needs to a better job of educating it's citizens on how to be somewhat financially literate, by the time they leave hs. Because if you tell a 16 year old living at home, working at mcdonalds, that by saving and investing most of their income for a few years, that by age 30-35 they'd be a lot closer to complete financial Independence for the rest of their life. I think a lot more people would at least attempt to follow that path. Instead we see swarms of people with less than $1000 to their name.
50% or more of teenagers are unemployed in a lot of places. That's just not realistic. Moreover, that would require a revamping of our entire materialist culture.
 

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Thing is I've probably only really sat down and learned this for myself, in the past year or two. Had I known how to deal with interest as a teenager, I'd be close to balling out of control right now. Having an interest based economy isnt a bad thing per se, but I think America needs to a better job of educating it's citizens on how to be somewhat financially literate, by the time they leave hs. Because if you tell a 16 year old living at home, working at mcdonalds, that by saving and investing most of their income for a few years, that by age 30-35 they'd be a lot closer to complete financial Independence for the rest of their life. I think a lot more people would at least attempt to follow that path. Instead we see swarms of people with less than $1000 to their name.
well the thing is that the powers that be have no interest in this happening :yeshrug: they WANT everyone in debt. they WANT us paying these fukkin interests on loans. not only for the money, but for the fact that debt ridden people are suppressed people

in the words of george carlin, "they want americans just smart enough to press the buttons on the machines at work, and not smart enough to start to question how badly we're being fukked"
 
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Racial resentment by the white working class and its effects on public policy will ultimately be the death knell of the republic.

We should go back to the economic policies of 1945-1970 but of course we won't.

I have been noticing this and describing this on this forum for a long time now. There is a huge divide. You only have to drive from the SF bay area to Sacramento to see it. Once you pass the Altamount pass mountain, it's a completely different world, with different people and totally different levels of economic achievement.

I am just lucky to be able to be part of the FTE crowd. Life outside of this sphere is not very good at all.

People in the Non-FTE crowd look different. I cant really explain it. It's especially noticeable in white people. Non-FTE whites look more robust and hardcore. The non-FTE white woman are usually very fat and have a stupid look on their eyes. I can go to the Wal-mart and then go to Wholefoods and see a big difference just in the physical appearance of white-people.

Even more striking...FTE and Non-FTE, regardless of race, do not mix with each other. I never see an engineer dating a waitress, and never see an Accountant/bookkeeper dating steel mill worker or warehouse employee. There is a huge selection event happening before our eyes right now. Unfortunately, there are certain races that have disproportionate amount of members in either FTE or Non-FTE.

This is all going to result in India 2.0-- a horrific caste system. It could even end-up like Battle Angel's Zalem situation.

Technically I have a background in science(bio) I'm not using it. But maybe I should do a postbach for engineering or computer science :patrice:

On topic, I love how the author pointed how racism is ultimately America's undoing, the lust for being antiblack, causes the economic system in place to be stagnant.

America is basically going to become an advanced version of Brazil lol
 
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You mean like get themselves back into debt? :mjlol:
There's a big difference in college students going into debt trying to get ahead and someone maxing out credit cards on some materialistic shyt. The sad thing is, college being so costly has stopped the people who need it the most from building wealth (specifically because of it's cost).

Black college graduates are losing wealth. Here’s what can help.

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By Ray Boshara April 12
Ray Boshara is the director of the St. Louis Fed’s Center for Household Financial Stability and a senior fellow in the Aspen Institute’s Financial Security Program. The views here are his own.



Acclaimed TV shows such as “Atlanta,” “Black-ish” and “Insecure” reveal a troubling paradox: Why do many well-educated black Americans feel so economically insecure? Here’s a surprising clue: Blacks with college degrees have lost wealth over the past generation.

Lots of wealth, in fact — and in sharp contrast to whites. Research from the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis — where I work — has found that, between 1992 and 2013, college-educated whites saw their wealth soar by 86 percent while college-educated blacks saw theirs plummet by 55 percent. Losing wealth means losing a cushion against hard times and a springboard for better times; it also means losing a chance to endow the next generation with the wealth we’ve accumulated over our lives.


You may wonder: How could college-educated blacks over the past 25 years actually lose wealth despite meaningful progress among blacks overall in educational attainment, political representation, voting rights, anti-discrimination measures and other realms?

Four findings emerged from a research symposium we held to help answer this question. First, racial differences around preparing for and financing college are stark. To begin with, black college grads are more likely than white college grads to have needed more student loans, which have a disproportionately negative effect on wealth because student loans defer or displace wealth-building measures such as marriage, buying a home and saving for retirement. Moreover, the wealth gap increases when comparing blacks and whites with advanced degrees. And in one study of Missouri’s four-year public universities, preparation for college and academic environments prior to enrollment entirely explains black-white disparities in college completion rates, STEM degrees and post-college earnings.

Second, homeownership, which is more common among college-educated families, also plays a significant role. Black mortgage borrowers — even before the financial crisis and well before any other racial and ethnic group — are far more likely than their white peers to experience foreclosures and delinquencies. By mid-2013, more than 1 in 4 loans held by blacks had entered foreclosure, devastating black homeownership wealth.

Third, black and white graduates share and receive wealth among their families very differently. College-educated whites are more likely than college-educated blacks to receive any — let alone higher — levels of financial assistance from parents. Yet, despite generally lower incomes and wealth, college-educated blacks are more likely to give financial assistance to struggling parents or extended family in need. It should be noted that wealth-sharing includes transfers at the end of life as well as throughout, such as for private K-12 schooling, college, a first home or averting a cash-flow crisis, to name a few.

Finally, the shared experience of historical and ongoing discrimination remains a significant factor. Here my colleagues William Emmons and Lowell Ricketts challenge the standard but debatable “post-racial” economic model, under which the racial wealth gap exists because millions of white families made good financial choices while millions of similarly situated black families did not. But the black-white wealth gap is too large and persistent for equal opportunity and freedom of choice to be plausible.

We instead propose a “structural” model, which recognizes that blacks and whites have different shared experiences that, in turn, shape their opportunities to accumulate wealth. This model explains more than 80 percent of the racial wealth gap, leaving less than 20 percent due to choices that departed from the shared norm.


So, what can be done? First, efforts to combat discrimination must endure, not abate. Stark wealth gaps suggest that we are far from achieving a post-racial America.

Second, financing higher education with less debt and more grants, scholarships and savings could help, as could homeownership reforms that build economic resilience through more equity financing, savings and insurance.

Third, for families without access to financial assistance from extended family, pools of financial capital (for lending circles and matched savings programs, for example) could be expanded to prevent downward and propel upward economic mobility.

Finally, improving pre-college environments could help. As mentioned, diverging college outcomes could be fully traced to differences in pre-college academic preparation and environments, a finding corroborated by other prominent researchers who call for greater investments in early human-capital development. Another early intervention could be a bold program of “baby bonds,” or wealth endowments at birth for lower-wealth households that are earmarked for lifelong asset accumulation.

A college education is increasingly important for middle-class success and beyond, though the journey appears more difficult for some groups than for others. Let’s hope our nation is watching, listening and responding so that college leads to financial success for all Americans.
 

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There's a big difference in college students going into debt trying to get ahead and someone maxing out credit cards on some materialistic shyt. The sad thing is, college being so costly has stopped the people who need it the most from building wealth (specifically because of it's cost).
I'm in 100 percent agreement with you here. People shouldn't be burdened by debt due to education or healthcare.
 
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