little to no effect on those who already own guns and criminals who operate outside the law*
Deterrence(arming faculty), in my opinion isn’t as bad an idea as it’s being made out to be.
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Deterrence(arming faculty), in my opinion isn’t as bad an idea as it’s being made out to be.
I appreciate the honesty. I'd still like a source so I can know where to check for the data in the future.Just checked, gun violence is actually up; I’ll leave the post unedited and eat the “L”but my point stands that the proposed measures will have a negligible affect on gun violence and mass shootings in particular.
They are emotionally driven and unnecessary.
A criminal, by definition, operates outside the law. But with these shootings we tend to have people who have purchased these firearms legally. The question is, what can we do to limit the amount of at risk people purchasing or retaining their firearms?
What can we do to limit the sale and transfer of firearms done in a way to circumvent previously existing laws?
What should the response be when someone receives numerous calls about their mental fitness? How do we deter the potential spree shooter?
Conservatives don't want to discuss the elephant and the room and attempt to move towards the arm the teachers moment. If officers aren't engaging school shooters because they are outgunned, why would you expect a teacher to?
There are reports of ideas from increasing funding for police departments to giving law enforcement the authority to confiscate guns for a short period of time after reports of mental illness, domestic violence, or threats, according to Politico...
These in my opinion are profound
especially since they seem right up Trumps alley and disproportionately harm minorities.
I’m also not a huge fan of expanding background checks, even though it’s the most palpable.
Blacks are simply targeted by law enforcement at too high a rate and slapped with unnecessary felonies for me to see anything truly just about it.
But that’s by design, make it illegal for felons to vote or own a gun then give blacks felonies.
just as i thought.
a whole lot of juelzing, lots and lots and lots.
there are no profound effects.
and for your information in your little wacko red bubble there are already plenty of states where guns are removed temporarily from a home in a domestic violence incident, im sorry it hurts your feelings but domestic violence is an indicator of potential gun violence.
and i know i told you before YOU dont need to even attempt your "pro black" bullshyt on me. I know better, you only ever bring it up to deflect/change the topic.
sorry not sorry that you "just arent a fan of background checks"
i have no concerns about not passing one
you have to pass one here to get your CCP any way.
something that YOU personally dislike or is at most inconvenience is not a "profound effect" nor is it a "gun grab"
you're just a dishonest propaganda poster.
Fair enough...
But...
Gun control is anti black at its core.
Gun control is a slope we won’t stop sliding down.
Gun control, at least the measures being proposed, will have a negligible effect at best.
Gun control, short of a ban won’t stop tragedies like this from occurring.
Fair enough...
But...
Gun control is anti black at its core.
Gun control is a slope we won’t stop sliding down.
Gun control, at least the measures being proposed, will have a negligible effect at best.
Gun control, short of a ban won’t stop tragedies like this from occurring.
and I will agree with you that gun control is anti-black anti-other at its core.
its been that way here in America since day 1.
i disagree that its a slippery slope. Guns sales are already regulated to varying degrees, thus we dont [legally]
sells guns in vending machines next to the red box at the grocery store, and a 5th grader cant walk in to a gun shop
plop down $200 and walk out with a handgun.
i do not believe any measure will completely solve the problem no, but certainly ANY reduction is a plus.
1 less dead child would be worth it to any parent. The waiting period will absolutely halt some spur of the moment crimes,
the background check will prevent some crimes.
we have laws against murder but yet murder still occurs, should we strike those from the books? absolutely not.
Mass shootings aside, as a gun owner i know for a fact that every gunowner isnt "good and responsible"
and you know that too. is there a week that goes by that you dont hear about some "responsible" gunowner shooting themself
or their gun accidentally discahrging in a public place? i dont want a bullet to hit me in walart or IHOP cause some nutbag
watched too many old westerns and thinks he looks cool to stroll in with a gun on his hip, See pics posted all over the innerwebs of whole families
with weapons pointing guns in the familys direction? Lots and Lots of photos of nuts with poor trigger discipline?
i would like to see more gun education and safety training.
responsible gun owners should also.
your barber has to be licensed.
you are licensed to drive.
Billy the weirdo who kills cats the next block over just needs his birthday money to go buy whatever
and do whatever....
@DEAD7 getting the work in here 
Says who? You?
Your logical fallacy is slippery slope
Prove it.
No law is going to prevent crimes, the point is that they make them less likely to occur.
Fair enough...
But...
Gun control is anti black at its core.
Says who? You?
Your logical fallacy is slippery slope
slippery slope
You said that if we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen.
The problem with this reasoning is that it avoids engaging with the issue at hand, and instead shifts attention to extreme hypotheticals. Because no proof is presented to show that such extreme hypotheticals will in fact occur, this fallacy has the form of an appeal to emotion fallacy by leveraging fear. In effect the argument at hand is unfairly tainted by unsubstantiated conjecture.
Example: Colin Closet asserts that if we allow same-sex couples to marry, then the next thing we know we'll be allowing people to marry their parents, their cars and even monkeys.
Prove it.
No law is going to prevent crimes, the point is that they make them less likely to occur.
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preach sister, preach.....
These shootings represent less than 1% of gun violence... and as you stated the issue is gun violence as a whole note these mass shootings.
The overwhelming amount of gun violence will be unmoved by these measures which suggest that the focus is in fact on these shootings that the proposed measures do not address, in any meaningful way.
It’s clearly an emotional crusade.
Also that officer hardly represents the norm. If anything officers in this country are trigger happy.
Arming teachers, regardless of how you view it, is a much more direct response to school shootings then background checks, and while not perfect would undoubtedly do more to protect children than gun show legislation.
@DEAD7 getting the work in here
1. Says who? You?
2. Your logical fallacy is slippery slope
3. Prove it.
4. No law is going to prevent crimes, the point is that they make them less likely to occur.
1. Says the black panther party circa 1966
2. Guilty as charged,
but I thought slopes were accepted around here? I hear the “who do you think is next after Mexicans” an awful lot3. Burden of proof is on those wishing to impose new restrictions at taxpayers expense.
4. Prove gun show regulation specifically will make gun crime less likely? Or that expanding background checks will meaningfully reduce gun violence.
@wickedsm’s ad hominems are cute
There it is...
Just to be clear, i don’t think you are wrong, I just don’t think there is anything worthwhile we can do legislatively and throwing regulations at the issue in order to make us feel better is something I’m against.Its an expenditure of social resources with likely little to no real return...
Outside of placating moral relavist
Proud NRA members
Its an expenditure of social resources with likely little to no real return...
Outside of placating moral relavist
*Juelz Juelz Juelz *
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regulations would have no effect
okay, here's some regulations
NOOOOOOOOO THIS HURTS THE FEELINGS OF GUN OWNERS (btw i am very smart and only use facts, not feelings, owned libs, sarcastic dap)
okay, here's some regulations
NOOOOOOOOO THIS HURTS THE FEELINGS OF GUN OWNERS (btw i am very smart and only use facts, not feelings, owned libs, sarcastic dap)