It's crazy because I don't see anyone I've met personally with a CCP complaining about the process or feeling like their rights were infringed upon. In fact I'd say they may even feel quite the opposite.
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It's crazy because I don't see anyone I've met personally with a CCP complaining about the process or feeling like their rights were infringed upon. In fact I'd say they may even feel quite the opposite.
This.
Ok... now explain how the measures being proposed would prevent these occurrences.
How they affect law abiding gun owners is clear.
There are reports of ideas from increasing funding for police departments to giving law enforcement the authority to confiscate guns for a short period of time after reports of mental illness, domestic violence, or threats, according to Politico...
These in my opinion are profound
especially since they seem right up Trumps alley and disproportionately harm minorities.
I’m also not a huge fan of expanding background checks, even though it’s the most palpable.
Blacks are simply targeted by law enforcement at too high a rate and slapped with unnecessary felonies for me to see anything truly just about it.
But that’s by design, make it illegal for felons to vote or own a gun then give blacks felonies.
And others feel the opposite way... not sure what that proves/means.It's crazy because I don't see anyone I've met personally with a CCP complaining about the process or feeling like their rights were infringed upon. In fact I'd say they may even feel quite the opposite.
The purpose of gun control is to limit gun violence in general, not just a specific occurrence.Ok... now explain how the measures being proposed would prevent these occurrences.
How they affect law abiding gun owners is clear.
Nice try though.
It means we have already identified the dangers of posessing firearms and have already put laws in place that limits who can possess certain types of firearms (and how we can possess them) without infringing upon the 2nd amendment rights of gun owners.
As such, these mere convenience and 'muh guns' arguments really have no standing with regards to the second amendment and should cease being made.
Gun violence is already declining steadily and the gun control debate is definitely centered around these occurrences.The purpose of gun control is to limit gun violence in general, not just a specific occurrence.
Nice try though.
To say otherwise is to have ignored media since the tragedy.
It’s not muh guns... it’s the fact these laws don’t move the needle in any meaningful way.It’s just feel good regulation... and completely unnecessary
Edit: do you honestly believe the gun violence in this country is caused in any meaningful way by the gun show guys that sidestep checks? And if so please show me some evidence?
Tragedy provides an opportunity, but gun control advocates don't just turn on and off with school shootings.Gun violence is already declining steadily and the gun control debate is definitely centered around these occurrences.
To say otherwise is to have ignored media since the tragedy.
In fact it actually amplifies their point.
But if we consider this shooting and the vegas shooting and the church shooting there were clear failures that led to them.
Church: he was dishonorably dischsrand shouldn't have been able to purchase a gun in the first place.
Vegas: the purchase of that many firearms in a short amount of time should send off red flags and honestly shouldn't be allowed.
School: FBI and the sheriff's department failed with their response to the concerns of the community.
I believe that gun violence requires you to have a gun.
It’s just feel good regulation... and completely unnecessary
Edit: do you honestly believe the gun violence in this country is caused in any meaningful way by the gun show guys that sidestep checks? And if so please show me some evidence?
I know that states with lax gun laws have more guns used in gun violence .
Gun violence is already declining steadily and the gun control debate is definitely centered around these occurrences.
To say otherwise is to have ignored media since the tragedy.
Can you provide stats to support the statement that gun violence is decreasing along with the source of those stats?
Giving me that “comin for our guns” feel with this right here.Either way, the current proposals don’t do much more than make the gun control crowd feel better. ... and if you get the measures and another tragedy occurs where do you go from there? Do you really believe the left will sit silent and not cry for even more controls?
It’s an emotional slope that bleeding hearts will slide down, I guarantee it. Doing nothing in the face of tragedies like this is just not an option for them.
The majority of proposals have little to no affect on people who already own guns. Increased background checks, increased waiting periods, updating the current database, raising the age of semi-auto rifle purchases, bump stock bans etc really aren't going to affect people who already own them because as we see from California no one actually turns in banned magazines and firearms.
... and if you get the measures and another tragedy occurs where do you go from there? Do you really believe the left will sit silent and not cry for even more controls?
It’s an emotional slope that bleeding hearts will slide down, I guarantee it. Doing nothing in the face of tragedies like this is just not an option for them.
Secondly most of the legislation put in place has the goal of lessening the amount of damage that can be done in mass shootings or limiting the number of mass shootings that occur. Which according to the arm the teachers crowd is an acceptable end result. So why even ask if it can end all spree shootings because conservative solutions don't do this as either.
Just checked, gun violence is actually up; I’ll leave the post unedited and eat the “L”
but my point stands that the proposed measures will have a negligible affect on gun violence and mass shootings in particular.They are emotionally driven and unnecessary.