Andre 3000 not performing with Big Boi during their Hall of fame was disrespectful to HipHop, he secretly looks down on rap

[Peak]

But we also don’t have to put him in a top 10.

I dont think there is a point he ever asked to be acknowledged in those terms.

 

[Conan]

I think he just fears dropping a dud. All of his guest features have been dope. From T.I.’s Sorry to Ye’s Life of the Party

It's easy to shine when all you have to do is drop a feature once in a blue moon.

 

[spliz]

That's not going to fly. You are giving out a participation trophy and that is the issue I have with the whole "he doesn't have a solo album argument". Ya'll giving Prodigy a pass knowing full well nothing in his solo catalog is on par with:

Illmatic
Ready To Die
Reasonable Doubt
The Diary
Me Against The World
Supreme Clientele
Mama Said Knock You Out
Paid In Full
Doggystyle
Like Water For Chocolate

And then you have someone, who has two other albums that are considered classic. Same with Jay. Same with Pac.

And even with Mobb Deep, people don't even count the first album and claim they fell off after Murda Muzik.

Objectively, I can't put Andre 3000 in a Top 10 because he doesn't have a solo on the level of those albums. Andre 3000 did something though that I've seen rappers like Jay Z campaign for: have people call him GOAT without telling us why he should be. He had a feature run where he was one of the hottest MC's in the game. An Andre 3000 verse was an event. Few MC's can say that.

He has verses worthy of a Top 10 spot, so I get the hype.

It DOES fly. Andre 3K don’t got 10 solo rap SONGS my nikka. Prodigy got a borderline classic with HNIC. He has a dope and influential solo catalog with Return Of The Mac etc etc. that’s just the cherry on top with his dope group projects. It absolutely counts. Because Andre didn’t even participate. If he did. Even if he dropped an album on the level of HNIC I would still understand people placing him. He doesn’t deserve it no matter how u slice it. P is a solo artist as well as a group artist. He has classic SOLO songs such as Keep It Thoro etc etc. let’s not do this. 3 Stacks can’t compare.

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

I know I did not just see somebody say that Prodigy doesn't have solo albums fukking with Like Water for Chocolate

And Common is my guy pause, I rank him higher than most. You could've named Resurrection and I would've let it fly, but Prodigy has like 4-5 solo albums that easily stack up to LWFC. Saying that right there tells me you probably didn't fukk with P to begin with and just ran with the narrative that he fell off, which really only applies to his Mobb Deep performances for those who know

Edit: and this is not me dissing that album, rather it's more me bigging up P's solo output.

 

[Sbp]

Everybody wondering what's wrong with Dre... Yall brehs can't tell 3000 has been long suffering from a chronic case of Baduizm?

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

Mob Deep>>>>

 

[ShaDynasty]

Its sad but whatever at this point. Andre slowed down a lot even on dropping guest verses over the last few years. I would like a new Big Boi album though, its been a few years.

 

[904]

I’m not hostile. I’m saying that HNIC is borderline classic and better than half of Mobb’s discography. So he has every right to have his placements in someone’s top 10 if need be. Andre 3k never even participated.

You're speaking about an imaginary rule being what's holding Dre back from all time status and I'm talking about quality and talent

P was considered goat level because of Hell on Earth not his solo career.

You remove the Mobb albums and P's solo career was good but would fall in line with many other good solo careers.. He'd fit right around a Freddie Gibbs career, maybe even a little lower

 

[JustCKing]

It DOES fly. Andre 3K don’t got 10 solo rap SONGS my nikka. Prodigy got a borderline classic with HNIC. He has a dope and influential solo catalog with Return Of The Mac etc etc. that’s just the cherry on top with his dope group projects. It absolutely counts. Because Andre didn’t even participate. If he did. Even if he dropped an album on the level of HNIC I would still understand people placing him. He doesn’t deserve it no matter how u slice it. P is a solo artist as well as a group artist. He has classic SOLO songs such as Keep It Thoro etc etc. let’s not do this. 3 Stacks can’t compare.

Borderline classic =/= classic.

Nobody is putting Prodigy in a Top 10 based off his solo catalog. Anyone making a claim that Prodigy is top 10 is doing so based off guest spots and features no different than Andre 3000. You know full well, Prodigy doesn't have a solo catalog to be mentioned in a Top 10 even if he has a solo catalog. Putting him in a Top 10 is just as offensive as Andre 3000 being placed.

To say Andre 3000 doesn't deserve to be in one, but claim Prodigy has more of an argument is hypocritical, contradictory, and disingenuous knowing he's only propped based on Mobb Deep's classics and features.

 

[spliz]

Borderline classic =/= classic.

Nobody is putting Prodigy in a Top 10 based off his solo catalog. Anyone making a claim that Prodigy is top 10 is doing so based off guest spots and features no different than Andre 3000. You know full well, Prodigy doesn't have a solo catalog to be mentioned in a Top 10 even if he has a solo catalog. Putting him in a Top 10 is just as offensive as Andre 3000 being placed.

To say Andre 3000 doesn't deserve to be in one, but claim Prodigy has more of an argument is hypocritical, contradictory, and disingenuous knowing he's only propped based on Mobb Deep's classics and features.

Prodigy being in a top 10 is subjective and that's because with all his classic work with the group. He also has shown himself to be a capable solo artist. Andre HAS NOT. They aren't in the same boat. People put Drake in their top 5. I don't agree AT ALL. Not for Kendrick either but I also understand that they do have albums people love and has proven himself as a solo artist. Andre 3k hasn't even joined the game. He's disqualified for not even participating. U never know how good an artist can be until they drop a project. We would've never known that Jadakiss couldn't make a solo album as good as Styles P if neither of them dropped any. shyt Sheek Louch probably has the best solo project between the 3 and NOONE could've guessed that if we never seen them participate. Even tho Styles is the most consistent and has the best tapes.

 

[spliz]

You're speaking about an imaginary rule being what's holding Dre back from all time status and I'm talking about quality and talent

P was considered goat level because of Hell on Earth not his solo career.

You remove the Mobb albums and P's solo career was good but would fall in line with many other good solo careers.. He'd fit right around a Freddie Gibbs career, maybe even a little lower

U remove the Mobb albums and he'd looked at differently. But the thing is he has the Mobb albums in CONJUNCTION with his solo efforts. Andre never even participated. We know Prodigy is a very capable solo artist. He has GREAT solo projects mixed with his Mobb work and that enables people to rate him as both solo and group artist. Andre hasn't participated. He's disqualified. It's unfair.

 

[JustCKing]

Prodigy being in a top 10 is subjective and that's because with all his classic work with the group. He also has shown himself to be a capable solo artist. Andre HAS NOT. They aren't in the same boat. People put Drake in their top 5. I don't agree AT ALL. Not for Kendrick either but I also understand that they do have albums people love and has proven himself as a solo artist. Andre 3k hasn't even joined the game. He's disqualified for not even participating. U never know how good an artist can be until they drop a project. We would've never known that Jadakiss couldn't make a solo album as good as Styles P if neither of them dropped any. shyt Sheek Louch probably has the best solo project between the 3 and NOONE could've guessed that if we never seen them participate. Even tho Styles is the most consistent and has the best tapes.

All of it is subjective. Showing the capability to make a solo album is neither here or there. Scarface isn't considered one of the greats merely because he proved he could drop a solo album, he's ranked because his solo albums rival or even exceed what he did as a Geto Boy member. Can't say the same for Prodigy.

If this is subjective, how is he disqualified? People will still place him in those convos whether you and I agre or not. He's done something that a lot of people deemed impressive and impacted the genre to where he gets the placements that he gets. We could argue whether its warranted forever, but it doesn't change anything.

Jadakiss claimed he was top 5 Dead or Alive. Andre 3000 never did that. People still have Jadakiss in their Top 5 based on guest spots, mixtapes, and features. No album that backs that claim. Yet, Jadakiss is consistently in Top5-10 lists and Styles rarely if ever is mentioned. There is no backlash for it either.

 

[JustCKing]

U remove the Mobb albums and he'd looked at differently. But the thing is he has the Mobb albums in CONJUNCTION with his solo efforts. Andre never even participated. We know Prodigy is a very capable solo artist. He has GREAT solo projects mixed with his Mobb work and that enables people to rate him as both solo and group artist. Andre hasn't participated. He's disqualified. It's unfair.

Shouldn't be no in conjunction. Nas, Jay, Pac, Biggie, Face, Cube, LL, Rakim, etc. don't have an "in conjunction". Yeah, Cube was in NWA, but he has TWO classic solo albums to where you don't even have to count Straight Outta Compton.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Prodigy being in a top 10 is subjective and that's because with all his classic work with the group. He also has shown himself to be a capable solo artist. Andre HAS NOT. They aren't in the same boat. People put Drake in their top 5. I don't agree AT ALL. Not for Kendrick either but I also understand that they do have albums people love and has proven himself as a solo artist. Andre 3k hasn't even joined the game. He's disqualified for not even participating. U never know how good an artist can be until they drop a project. We would've never known that Jadakiss couldn't make a solo album as good as Styles P if neither of them dropped any. shyt Sheek Louch probably has the best solo project between the 3 and NOONE could've guessed that if we never seen them participate. Even tho Styles is the most consistent and has the best tapes.

I agree with most of this but disagree that not having a solo album precludes a rapper from being top ten. Like am I going to throw a red flag if somebody says Posdnuos is a top ten rapper? No. I may not agree but I can't reject somebody solely because of solo albums or the lack thereof. Pos has so many verses across DECADES that I just can't disqualify him on some "you didn't do this one thing" shyt. In fact the only "one thing" that would be disqualifying is having a ghostwriter IMO.

I have all types of issues with Andre stans and have clowned the top ten arguments before. But is he QUALIFIED to be considered? Yes!

And btw...Prodigy is in my top 10 favorite rappers of all time, and while I haven't done a top 10 "best" list in years I would definitely consider putting him there. His solo output isn't amazing overall but he has a classic (HNIC) and a 4/5 album (Return Of The Mac). But even if he didn't I'd probably feel the same way due to how amazing his verses are between Mobb and features.

 

[NormanConnors]

Andre has one of the greatest pens period, should be no question/discussion on that. He's out rapping most cats.