Andrew Luck vs. RG3: A Year Later, Who You Got?

[King Poetic]

luck

 

[malbaker86]

you mean the division with the defending SB champs that year?

what bearing does being the Super Bowl champs in 2011 have on the play of them and the division as a whole last season? Kind of logic are you trying to imply?

 

[BStapies]

False. RGIII won the Heisman and was the #2 overall pick without Alfred. Morris wasn't shyt but a 6th round pick without RGIII. Stop making up duck tales. RGIII made that whole Skins season by hisself.

nikka this aint college. look at tebow

i dont give a fukk about college. brady was a 6th round pick. now u gonna tell me the pats made brady cuz he was a 6th rounder? college is irrelevant when talking about the NFL

 

[Snitchin Splatter]

You can't have it both ways though. You can't say the INTs and comp% are a result of being asked to do more and then pump up his yds and TDs which are a result of a same. RGIIIs TD/INT ratio and comp % shyt all over Luck's. Luck barely edged him out in TDs and RGIII has the superior yds per att. You can't dwell on 3tds and 1100yds on 200+ more attempts and then act like the TD/INT ratio and comp % are no big deal and just a function of the offense.

Like I said it is silly to judge QBs by wins. It's nothing than a reach used to pump up a guy who's individual stats don't cut it. You taking Shuab and Ryan or even mid 30's Manning and Brady over Rodgers?

And it wasn't the exact same team. They got a new coach and that coach was sick and thusly provided inspiration. Not to mention the 2-14 team was not prepared to not have Peyton. AND this if football. We see teams go from worst to first all the time so I can't put all of that on Luck. Who was the previous holder of the Rookie record for 4th quarter comebacks...Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Marino, Montana? Serious question. Because if it is so impressive and such a representative metric an ATG should have been the previous record holder. Tebow had a bunch of 4th qtr comebacks a couple years ago, you taking him over RGIII too? If you get the job done in qtrs 1-3 you chances to make comebacks are severely diminished. So when you talk about comebacks you are eliminating and basically punishing guys who didn't fukk up early in games and didn't have need to atone for it in the 4th.

Here's what your not getting, Luck didn't just set the rookie mark for 4th quarter comebacks, HE LED THE LEAGUE. And while I can't tell you who had the record before he set it this year, I can tell you the three QB's who have the most all-time 4th quarter comebacks are, Peyton Manning, Elway, and Dan Marino. So are QB comebacks still an overrated metric that can't be used to determine the quality of the QB??

And yes you can have it both ways, Luck had much more responsibility in the offense and was forced to take more risks, meaning he threw for more interceptions, but also more yards and touchdowns. Is this an illogical reach or something?

 

[Kenny West]

what bearing does being the Super Bowl champs in 2011 have on the play of them and the division as a whole last season? Kind of logic are you trying to imply?

"hey your division is weak"

Talking about the with the SB champs and the division with only one team finishing below .500

compared to playing Gabbert and Locker twice a year. ok

 

[malbaker86]

"hey your division is weak"

Talking about the with the SB champs and the division with only one team finishing below .500

compared to playing Gabbert and Locker twice a year. ok

Right because we're basing how strong a division is based on it's QB's. Great logic.

And where did i say the division was weak?

The Eagles weren't much better than my Jags (only scored 30 more points and gave up the same amount of points) and the same w/the Cowboys and Titans. Let's use your logic when you talk about records when the Texans and Colts had a better record than the Skin's and Giants.

 

[malbaker86]

The Giants and Cowboys were all playoff caliber teams. The Eagles before Vick got injured weren't exactly stinking it up.

I feel ya bruh

 

[AVXL]

Once again, being asked to do more, doesn't automatically make you better. Getting a C in and AP class doesn't make you smarter than a kid who got an A+ in a normal class. You can say what you will about RGIIIs offense but he put up special numbers in that offense. If it was so easy why doesn't every team just do it, including the Colts. You don't get extra points for degree of difficulty. It's about making plays and minimizing mistakes, period. 4th qtr comebacks are the most overrated thing ever. Nobody goes into a game looking to have to comeback. Every team comes out looking to get up early and play from ahead. The Colts didn't do that, in great part because of Luck's turnovers. You don't get extra points for fukking up early, either.

You're missing the point. Luck is further along in his development as a QB than RG3 is. From pre snap adjustments, reading his progressions, etc he is better at those aspects of QB than RG3 is. RG3 out athletes him and is a more dynamic player when healthy, but Luck is ahead of where most rookies QB heading into their second yr are

I give RG3 and the Redskins credit for having success last yr & tailoring the offense to his abilities, but in a simpler offense I expect him to be successful b/c that offense isn't giving him as many opportunities to fail. Same with Kaep out in SF. I just feel that Luck is further along in his development as a QB right now.

Didn't get your rant on 4th quarter comebacks & it's kinda irrelevant to the greater point about Luck >> RG3

 

[FTBS]

You're missing the point. Luck is further along in his development as a QB than RG3 is. From pre snap adjustments, reading his progressions, etc he is better at those aspects of QB than RG3 is. RG3 out athletes him and is a more dynamic player when healthy, but Luck is ahead of where most rookies QB heading into their second yr are

I give RG3 and the Redskins credit for having success last yr & tailoring the offense to his abilities, but in a simpler offense I expect him to be successful b/c that offense isn't giving him as many opportunities to fail. Same with Kaep out in SF. I just feel that Luck is further along in his development as a QB right now.

Didn't get your rant on 4th quarter comebacks & it's kinda irrelevant to the greater point about Luck >> RG3

Once again if it is as easy as simplifying an offense why doesn't every team do it? Why don't the Colts just do it? If it's possible to get results that are so much better purely because of the simplicity of the offense what is the point of running a more complex offense?

Don't tell me about how ahead a guy is and how he reads progressions when he's got damn near 4X as many picks as the other guy. What a guy is asked to do is only relevant if the numbers are comparable. For the billionth time you don't get credit for being asked to do more AND fukking up more. RGIIIs numbers blow Luck's out of the water and he is a better runner as well. I'll take a guy in a "simplified" offense that doesn't make nearly as many mistakes, passes for a comparable amount of touchdowns in 200+ fewer attempts, avg. a full yd more per attempt, and is more athletic and a bigger threat in the running game.

4th qtr comebacks themselves are irrelevant.

 

[PS5 Pro]

thats funny because Luck passed for more yards and touchdowns, as a passer

He also threw the ball a TON more times than RG3. RG3 had only 5ints, had the highest QB rating for a rookie EVER
Had the highest QB rating vs the blitz in LEAGUE HISTORY
Had the most rushing yrds by a rookie QB in League History
Won his division which is a much tougher division than what the colts play in, much tougher schedule last year
And if all that isn't enough, well over the last 2yrs RG3 won the Heisman over Luck, then NFL Rookie of the year over luck
So as of today, RG3 is clearly the better player
And as far as a leader of men, which is a trait Ray Lewis is known for? RG3 all day over ANYONE in the League.. up there with anyone in League history in terms of his overall impact to the GAME
No player ever, not even Mike Vick got this type of attention. All season, all offseasn you see RG3
What Luck been doing this offseason? I hope he learns how to embrace operation patience because he'll be waiting to get out of RG3's shadow for the next 50yrs

 

[Snitchin Splatter]

He also threw the ball a TON more times than RG3. RG3 had only 5ints, had the highest QB rating for a rookie EVER
Had the highest QB rating vs the blitz in LEAGUE HISTORY
Had the most rushing yrds by a rookie QB in League History
Won his division which is a much tougher division than what the colts play in, much tougher schedule last year
And if all that isn't enough, well over the last 2yrs RG3 won the Heisman over Luck, then NFL Rookie of the year over luck
So as of today, RG3 is clearly the better player
And as far as a leader of men, which is a trait Ray Lewis is known for? RG3 all day over ANYONE in the League.. up there with anyone in League history in terms of his overall impact to the GAME
No player ever, not even Mike Vick got this type of attention. All season, all offseasn you see RG3
What Luck been doing this offseason? I hope he learns how to embrace operation patience because he'll be waiting to get out of RG3's shadow for the next 50yrs

It's easy to appear efficient when you throw the ball as little as RG3 did. He had as many total attempts as Luck did Completions. He did good for his small sample size, but theres a reason he didn't have the trust to throw the ball like Luck did. Plus with the 1,000 yard rusher he didnt need to.

Texans And Colts had better records than any team in the Redskins division though. And 2 teams in the playoffs. So who played in the worst division?

Luck's been working out wit his receivers, re-mastering his new/old offense, and getting better all off season. RG3 has been in crutches or unable to perform until very recently. He's now had 2 major injuries to his knees before his 2nd NFL season. His style of play has to change and it's not looking like he'll be able to match his numbers from last year. There are major questions if he can perform under a regular pro-style offense without having to rely on his legs

 

[Master Teacher]

It's easy to appear efficient when you throw the ball as little as RG3 did. He had as many total attempts as Luck did Completions. He did good for his small sample size, but theres a reason he didn't have the trust to throw the ball like Luck did. Plus with the 1,000 yard rusher he didnt need to.

Texans And Colts had better records than any team in the Redskins division though. And 2 teams in the playoffs. So who played in the worst division?

Luck's been working out wit his receivers, re-mastering his new/old offense, and getting better all off season. RG3 has been in crutches or unable to perform until very recently. He's now had 2 major injuries to his knees before his 2nd NFL season. His style of play has to change and it's not looking like he'll be able to match his numbers from last year. There are major questions if he can perform under a regular pro-style offense without having to rely on his legs

you can't go off the division records, they had close to same records because they're playing each other
which is why its the toughest division in the league

 

[FTBS]

Here's what your not getting, Luck didn't just set the rookie mark for 4th quarter comebacks, HE LED THE LEAGUE. And while I can't tell you who had the record before he set it this year, I can tell you the three QB's who have the most all-time 4th quarter comebacks are, Peyton Manning, Elway, and Dan Marino. So are QB comebacks still an overrated metric that can't be used to determine the quality of the QB??

And yes you can have it both ways, Luck had much more responsibility in the offense and was forced to take more risks, meaning he threw for more interceptions, but also more yards and touchdowns. Is this an illogical reach or something?

A lot of things beyond a QB's ability/clutch go into 4th qtr comebacks and wins period for that matter. Yeah it's an overrated metric because you can recognize how great each of those guys are without knowing how many 4th qtr comebacks they have had.If I am not mistaken Tebow LED THE LEAGUE in 4th qtr comebacks a couple years ago. You taking him over RGIII or any of the qbs who had fewer comebacks that year including Rodgers, Manning, Brady?

Here is what you are not getting. If Luck is better, then that means he should be able to handle that responsibility and thusly not throw that many more picks. He threw picks at more than 2 times the rate that RGIII did. It's one thing if he had thrown picks at a comparable rate but to throw them so much more often can't all just be attributed to the offense and what he was asked to do while 3 more TDs and 1100 yds on 200 more attempts can be. You are supposed to throw more tds and have more yds if you throw the ball 200 more times. You aren't supposed to throw THAT many more picks if you are so far beyond the other guy in your development.

 

[Snitchin Splatter]

you can't go off the division records, they had close to same records because they're playing each other
which is why its the toughest division in the league

cowboys and giants were mediocre all season and didn't make the playoffs

eagles were nonfactors from the start

toughest division in the league

A lot of things beyond a QB's ability/clutch go into 4th qtr comebacks and wins period for that matter. Yeah it's an overrated metric because you can recognize how great each of those guys are without knowing how many 4th qtr comebacks they have had.

Here is what you are not getting. If Luck is better, then that means he should be able to handle that responsibility and thusly not throw that many more picks. He threw picks at more than 2 times the rate that RGIII did. It's one thing if he had thrown picks at a comparable rate but to throw them so much more often can't all just be attributed to the offense and what he was asked to do while 3 more TDs and 1100 yds on 200 more attempts can be. You are supposed to throw more tds and have more yds if you throw the ball 200 more times. You aren't supposed to throw THAT many more picks if you are so far beyond the other guy in your development.

You can't just throw out interception numbers alone and act like that explains who is better. You don't account for drops, tipped balls, or the complexity/difficulties of the passes being made. it is common knowledge and that Colts offense asked Luck to make throws with a higher degree of difficulty and farther down the field than RG3. Bruce Arians whole offense revolved around chucking the ball down field. Luck did remarkably well when you considered he was sacked/hurried more than any QB in the league yet still had the longest big play average.

The Total yards number represents who actually was moving the ball more as a passer, where Luck had more than 1,000 yard advantage on RG3

 

[PS5 Pro]

nikka this aint college. look at tebow

i dont give a fukk about college. brady was a 6th round pick. now u gonna tell me the pats made brady cuz he was a 6th rounder? college is irrelevant when talking about the NFL

What I see you doing is you have ESPN tell you whats going on instead of you using your own brain.
Tom Brady is a great QB, and any QB in the right system can develop (except for Tim Tebow who needs his own system)
But I recall a guy coming in for Tom Brady, going 10-6, then getting a super contract by the Kansas City Chiefs
If you are in the right system, and you have a skill set, you can shine.
I give Bill Belichieck more credit for Tom than Tom himself