Angie Martinez interview with 2Pac (Text excerpts from book)

[Bigsuk]

who even killed big stretch?

Theres conflicting reports, apprently he stole some ks ov crack ov some big drug dealer n was told to give them back wen he didnt they put a hit on his ass.... Apprently there was 3 nikkas in the car that shot at his van while givin chase ... Apprently 1 ov the nikkas involoved in stretchs murder was involoved in jmj murder aswell ... It is a huge fluke tho it apprently exactly a year to the date ov pacs 94 shootin...

 

[Mac Casper]

But truthfully what are we debating ?? How many times pac was shot , was he saving face in his beef with badboy ... Was he lying ?? Whats your thoughts since i havent seen you chip in yet breh ??

His beef with Bad Boy is a guilt by association thing and motivated by basic rules of war in wish he imposes sanctions on his enemies . .you might not like that answer but if you want to understand Tupac's motives you have to at least make an attempt to understand the way Tupac thinks. It's really simple. It's not matter of trying to think about what you would've done, what he should've done, etc. It's how he thinks. In his own mind he was a militant general, whether you see him like that or not isn't going to change the terms of his reality. If you want to find his motive you need see it from his point of view, if you're not willing to do that then you have a 22 page discussion 22 years later about what he should and shouldn't of done

Most likely scenario regarding November 30, 1994 - he went for his gun and shot him as he pulled it . . this is the most common accidental discharge scenario, what happened that day was likely another instance of it. High pressure situation, he went for the gun and pulled the trigger quicker than he pulled the gun. It's like a wide receive turning his head and running before he's caught the ball. Probably not wearing a holster too. This response is indicative of someone who was eager to use the trigger just as the previous example is an example of someone eager to run with the ball. The one shot can 3+ exit wounds - in and out the scrotum, in the thigh and out of the thigh. Doctors said the thigh injury was the most critical. After this first shot the assailants probably let a round or two go - there would be a heavy amount of discipline

 

[Bigsuk]

His beef with Bad Boy is a guilt by association thing and motivated by basic rules of war in wish he imposes sanctions on his enemies . .you might not like that answer but if you want to understand Tupac's motives you have to at least make an attempt to understand the way Tupac thinks. It's really simple. It's not matter of trying to think about what you would've done, what he should've done, etc. It's how he thinks. In his own mind he was a militant general, whether you see him like that or not isn't going to change the terms of his reality. If you want to find his motive you need see it from his point of view, if you're not willing to do that then you have a 22 page discussion 22 years later about what he should and shouldn't of done

Most likely scenario regarding November 30, 1994 - he went for his gun and shot him as he pulled it . . this is the most common accidental discharge scenario, what happened that day was likely another instance of it. High pressure situation, he went for the gun and pulled the trigger quicker than he pulled the gun. It's like a wide receive turning his head and running before he's caught the ball. Probably not wearing a holster too. This response is indicative of someone who was eager to use the trigger just as the previous example is an example of someone eager to run with the ball. The one shot can 3+ exit wounds - in and out the scrotum, in the thigh and out of the thigh. Doctors said the thigh injury was the most critical. After this first shot the assailants probably let a round or two go - there would be a heavy amount of discipline

Problem is if he was so militant / general minded generals or militants go about things much smarter or wiser then the way pac went about things , plus they move much more discritly and dont tell the world everything that goes on in magazines or interviews whatever theory you mentioned about going about things in a general/ militant mind frame failed badly .... Someone who moved smartest in that beef was puffy ... N i dont even like puffy .....

 

[Mac Casper]

Problem is if he was so militant / general minded generals or militants go about things much smarter or wiser then the way pac went about things , plus they move much more discritly and dont tell the world everything that goes on in magazines or interviews whatever theory you mentioned about going about things in a general/ militant mind frame failed badly .... Someone who moved smartest in that beef was puffy ... N i dont even like puffy .....

And you realize Tupac was an entertainer right? He wasn't going to begin leading a platoon into enemy territory . . he was going to be an entertainer. There were many indications, including his own words and actions that he planned to put all of that drama behind him for 1997. What I said wasn't a theory; what I said is what it is, what is was and what it always will be

 

[Bigsuk]

And you realize Tupac was an entertainer right? He wasn't going to begin leading a platoon into enemy territory . . he was going to be an entertainer. There were many indications, including his own words and actions that he planned to put all of that drama behind him for 1997. What I said wasn't a theory; what I said is what it is, what is was and what it always will be

Yeah but he was bringing attention on himself .... All that drama pops off who is everyone gona look at straight away ... Him ... Like i said all the stuff you said about been moving like a militant or general doesnt make sense .. Cause thats not how they move ... We know he was an entertainer but thing is pac wanted to be everything at once which simply doesnt work he wanted to be a entertainer , wanted to be militant , wanted to be identified as street nikka ... Like i said puffy was much more wiser n moved smarter then pac did

 

[Funk Flex]

I just thought about the reason she wont release the audio is because she doesn't own it and it's harder now that she's not at hot 97

 

[Mac Casper]

Yeah but he was bringing attention on himself .... All that drama pops off who is everyone gona look at straight away ... Him ... Like i said all the stuff you said about been moving like a militant or general doesnt make sense .. Cause thats not how they move ... We know he was an entertainer but thing is pac wanted to be everything at once which simply doesnt work he wanted to be a entertainer , wanted to be militant , wanted to be identified as street nikka ... Like i said puffy was much more wiser n moved smarter then pac did

Your sensibility only serves to benefit Tupac if he had murderous intentions. I don't know if maybe you watched the "Hail Mary" video one too many times and thought that was real or something. Tupac wasn't about to take out a whole underground crime syndicate in New York. This isn't that 50 Cent video game. We seem to both have an understanding that Tupac was an entertainer, the issue comes up where you seem to be drawing the line. It would be natural to have feelings regarding being set-up, it would be natural to have inclinations for revenge . . the genius is building this into your entertainment, "everything at once". If you were under the impression that Tupac was about to take two Glocks and start walking down the streets of New York City in search of enemies then you're probably the type that could enjoy a good WWF story line. The point you're trying to make is misguided at best as it's rooted in misunderstanding and an unclear secondhand point of view. It'd be like you eating a Whopper and complaining about the lack of Big Mac sauce.You've already stated that YOU KNOW he's an entertainer so why are questioning the effectiveness of a hypothetical plot for revenge?

You're trying to talk about what makes sense when, which shows me you're missing the point. You're talking about another individual's thought process and perspective. Not what makes sense to you. There's a clear distinction between those two lines of thought that's going to inhibit you from understanding the intentions of another human being

It'd be like you cheating on your girlfriend, you caught up in a moment of sexual tension that cause you not to think clearly. You acted on them out of primal urges. Then your girl finds out and she starts talking to you in a way that appeals to your logical mind. "How could you do something like that when you know I'm right here, I cook for you, I clean for you, I even . . . etc. etc." None of these factors were prerequisites in your thought process and nobody can explain your actions on the basis of their own logic. You're not going to get anywhere like that and if you fail to understand the other's point of view you minus well be talking to a brick wall . . or in this case, carrying on a 22 page conversation 22 years later

I know this might be hard for you to accept, as this argument has been 22 years in the making for you, but the reality of the situation isn't as complex as you'd like it to be

#WallyWisdom

I just thought about the reason she wont release the audio is because she doesn't own it and it's harder now that she's not at hot 97

He supposedly flew her out there for the interview. The sound recording copyright ownership is debatable but since she facilitated the recording most people in copyright law would consider it hers. It wasn't facilitated by Hot 97

 

[Bigsuk]

Your sensibility only serves to benefit Tupac if he had murderous intentions. I don't know if maybe you watched the "Hail Mary" video one too many times and thought that was real or something. Tupac wasn't about to take out a whole underground crime syndicate in New York. This isn't that 50 Cent video game. We seem to both have an understanding that Tupac was an entertainer, the issue comes up where you seem to be drawing the line. It would be natural to have feelings regarding being set-up, it would be natural to have inclinations for revenge . . the genius is building this into your entertainment, "everything at once". If you were under the impression that Tupac was about to take two Glocks and start walking down the streets of New York City in search of enemies then you're probably the type that could enjoy a good WWF story line. The point you're trying to make is misguided at best as it's rooted in misunderstanding and an unclear secondhand point of view. It'd be like you eating a Whopper and complaining about the lack of Big Mac sauce.You've already stated that YOU KNOW he's an entertainer so why are questioning the effectiveness of a hypothetical plot for revenge?

You're trying to talk about what makes sense when, which shows me you're missing the point. You're talking about another individual's thought process and perspective. Not what makes sense to you. There's a clear distinction between those two lines of thought that's going to inhibit you from understanding the intentions of another human being

It'd be like you cheating on your girlfriend, you caught up in a moment of sexual tension that cause you not to think clearly. You acted on them out of primal urges. Then your girl finds out and she starts talking to you in a way that appeals to your logical mind. "How could you do something like that when you know I'm right here, I cook for you, I clean for you, I even . . . etc. etc." None of these factors were prerequisites in your thought process and nobody can explain your actions on the basis of their own logic. You're not going to get anywhere like that and if you fail to understand the other's point of view you minus well be talking to a brick wall . . or in this case, carrying on a 22 page conversation 22 years later

I know this might be hard for you to accept, as this argument has been 22 years in the making for you, but the reality of the situation isn't as complex as you'd like it to be

#WallyWisdom



He supposedly flew her out there for the interview. The sound recording copyright ownership is debatable but since she facilitated the recording most people in copyright law would consider it hers. It wasn't facilitated by Hot 97

But wally ,i didnt say everything at once, ... But this so called plot ov revenge ... That pac wanted againest certain cats from ny he was going about it the totally wrong way that isnt my logic its fuking common sense .... You dont be going to war trying to play checkers with various enimies yet telling magazines and interviewers and blatantly putting it in songs about every little detail how is that smart ?? ..... Face it pac was an entertainer who had amazing potential but because ov his actions and because he coudnt stay in his lane got him caught up in street situations that could have been avioded .......

 

[spliz]

But wally ,i didnt say everything at once, ... But this so called plot ov revenge ... That pac wanted againest certain cats from ny he was going about it the totally wrong way that isnt my logic its fuking common sense .... You dont be going to war trying to play checkers with various enimies yet telling magazines and interviewers and blatantly putting it in songs about every little detail how is that smart ?? ..... Face it pac was an entertainer who had amazing potential but because ov his actions and because he coudnt stay in his lane got him caught up in street situations that could have been avioded .......

So if u feel this way? What cause Biggie to get killed? nikka wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer moving the way he did after Pac already died and the shyt was SUPPOSED to be behind him. Pac clearly said he was gonna chill out until they started doing and saying underhanded shyt and hiding they hands. People was coming at Pac who wasn't even involved in the situation. Involving themselves in shyt that had nothing to do with them. Everyone always speaks on Pac. But noone speaks on how fukked up the other nikkas was moving on the low that was provoking him. The nikka got shot and set up. He was paranoid and them nikkas was moving funny. nikkas try to make like Biggie was this innocent nikka. This the same nikka who got Snoop n them trailer shot up. This the same nikka who dissed Pac in LA AFTER he died. shyt. I don't even think Pac would've done that shyt. Cause he clearly said he didn't want Biggie to get hurt.

 

[kingofnyc]

Nah. At this point u putting it all on Pac and taking the blame completely away from the other side and I can't get wit that. I agree he coulda made a few better decisions but so could Biggie. End of the day people forget how young these nikkas were. I believe as far as the Biggie shyt he was fed some wrong info in the beginning. His beef wit Diddy was legitimate tho. Diddy a slimy nikka. That's why I believe later on he kinda shifted his focus. But as far as him just makin some shyt up for the fukk of it. I cant really believe that.

PLEASE... elaborate on what bettet decisions biggie could have made ?

 

[kingofnyc]

His beef with Bad Boy is a guilt by association thing and motivated by basic rules of war in wish he imposes sanctions on his enemies . .you might not like that answer but if you want to understand Tupac's motives you have to at least make an attempt to understand the way Tupac thinks. It's really simple. It's not matter of trying to think about what you would've done, what he should've done, etc. It's how he thinks. In his own mind he was a militant general, whether you see him like that or not isn't going to change the terms of his reality. If you want to find his motive you need see it from his point of view, if you're not willing to do that then you have a 22 page discussion 22 years later about what he should and shouldn't of done

Most likely scenario regarding November 30, 1994 - he went for his gun and shot him as he pulled it . . this is the most common accidental discharge scenario, what happened that day was likely another instance of it. High pressure situation, he went for the gun and pulled the trigger quicker than he pulled the gun. It's like a wide receive turning his head and running before he's caught the ball. Probably not wearing a holster too. This response is indicative of someone who was eager to use the trigger just as the previous example is an example of someone eager to run with the ball. The one shot can 3+ exit wounds - in and out the scrotum, in the thigh and out of the thigh. Doctors said the thigh injury was the most critical. After this first shot the assailants probably let a round or two go - there would be a heavy amount of discipline

problem is....
their are (2) different individuals on both sides of the fences that say it was (1) shot, and (1) shot only

And you realize Tupac was an entertainer right? He wasn't going to begin leading a platoon into enemy territory . . he was going to be an entertainer. There were many indications, including his own words and actions that he planned to put all of that drama behind him for 1997. What I said wasn't a theory; what I said is what it is, what is was and what it always will be

so u bascially agreeing with prodigy
ALL this shyt was strictly about entertainment using biggie puff badboy as a marketing promotion scheme

 

[spliz]

PLEASE... elaborate on what bettet decisions biggie could have made ?

Umm. Sending goons to shoot up Snoop's trailer when they was out here to do a damn tribute song to the city. Ummm. Going out to LA and dissing Pac soon after he died on LA radio. Rubbing a bunch of LA cats the wrong way. Actin like they was on some victory lap n shyt. Yukmouth from Luniz was cool wit Biggie and even told them to chill out cause people not feelin the way they was moving out there. The ultimate bad decision of going out there in the first place is what got him killed.

 

[Mr Uncle Leroy]

Right from the start I could see that he was far more articulate and calculated than I was. And at this point, way more seasoned than me . I could have asked him anything. He already knew what he wanted to say. He answered my questions, but he also was very clear about what he wanted to get out of this. He had some shyt to say, and he was using me as the vehicle to do that.

ANGIE: So are you saying that you do not have a beef with New York? TUPAC: Nah . . . I have a beef with anybody in my way , anybody that’ll come against me that feel like they could criticize me because they bought my album. That feel like just because they read an interview that they know who I am— I have a beef with them interfering with me getting my money. I got a beef with Wendy Williams saying I got raped in jail because that disrespected me, my family , and what I represent. I got a beef with New York rappers just saying whatever they wanna say about where I’m from . . .

He went off, continuing his laundry list, which finally came around to the main beef. And because I still didn’t fully understand, I asked exactly how his relationship with Biggie had gotten so bad and what exactly Biggie had done.

TUPAC: He acted like he didn’t know what happened when I got shot. He didn’t know what happened. I was tripping out. I was buggin’. I must’ve been fukkin’ on drugs when I got operated on. This nikka only got shot once. He was acting like a movie when he came upstairs . That type of shyt ? It’s going down . . . Puffy’s the one that really . . . snapped me back to my senses. When this punk muthafukka said “Thug Life you gon’ be a thug, you gotta be a thug forever you can’t go in and out of it.” Okay, now when a cream puff nikka like that tell me that, it’s time to ride. ’Cause I had legitimately just walked away from the shyt. I was gonna take my shots and move on. I already knew what happened. Only thing that pissed me off is when nikkas tried to make me seem like I was buggin’ or bullshytting like I just shot myself. Nobody knew what happened. That’s what really made just me trip the fukk out. And then Mobb Deep doing shows and they introducing people onstage like this the nikka that shot ’Pac.

ANGIE: Where was that?
TUPAC: In Queens ! It get real deep and everybody involved know it get deep.

This is basically what it is— fear is stronger than love. His point was that New York was an innocent bystander. And there was no question where the battle lines had been drawn for him.

Book is dope af, cop that shyt brehs!

Wish 2pac would have known hatian dude set 2pac. and biggie and puffy didnt know

 

[3rdWorld]

Problem is if he was so militant / general minded generals or militants go about things much smarter or wiser then the way pac went about things , plus they move much more discritly and dont tell the world everything that goes on in magazines or interviews whatever theory you mentioned about going about things in a general/ militant mind frame failed badly .... Someone who moved smartest in that beef was puffy ... N i dont even like puffy .....

The shooting was very convenient for Pac as crazy as that may sound..I maintain that he was extremely jealous as were many other rappers of the rise of Biggie .and he was a megalomaniac. Unlike other rappers who gave props and recognized the superiority of Biggie and learned to live with it, Pac couldnt bear it.
He had been in the game a few years, and absolutely hated the fact Biggie got so much love overnight and set a label on the map single handed that challenged the might Death Row and with titles of King and the Greatest on top. Pac was also a known liar, but you can tell from the way he spoke about Biggie sleeping on his couch that Biggie's rise threw him off so bad and he knew he couldn't compete mic to mic so he drummed up the shooting in the face of irrefutable proof Big and Co had nothing to really do with it to try and discredity Biggie and slow him down. Why the hell would Puff and Big set him up?? thats where his megalomania sets in..there was no incentive in it, and he was talking crazy.

 

[spliz]

The shooting was very convenient for Pac as crazy as that may sound..I maintain that he was extremely jealous as were many other rappers of the rise of Biggie .and he was a megalomaniac. Unlike other rappers who gave props and recognized the superiority of Biggie and learned to live with it, Pac couldnt bear it.
He had been in the game a few years, and absolutely hated the fact Biggie got so much love overnight and set a label on the map single handed that challenged the might Death Row and with titles of King and the Greatest on top. Pac was also a known liar, but you can tell from the way he spoke about Biggie sleeping on his couch that Biggie's rise threw him off so bad and he knew he couldn't compete mic to mic so he drummed up the shooting in the face of irrefutable proof Big and Co had nothing to really do with it to try and discredity Biggie and slow him down. Why the hell would Puff and Big set him up?? thats where his megalomania sets in..there was no incentive in it, and he was talking crazy.

Man get this revisionist bullshyt outta here. U have no idea what u talkin bout.