Angie Martinez interview with 2Pac (Text excerpts from book)

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The shooting was very convenient for Pac as crazy as that may sound..I maintain that he was extremely jealous as were many other rappers of the rise of Biggie .and he was a megalomaniac. Unlike other rappers who gave props and recognized the superiority of Biggie and learned to live with it, Pac couldnt bear it.
He had been in the game a few years, and absolutely hated the fact Biggie got so much love overnight and set a label on the map single handed that challenged the might Death Row and with titles of King and the Greatest on top. Pac was also a known liar, but you can tell from the way he spoke about Biggie sleeping on his couch that Biggie's rise threw him off so bad and he knew he couldn't compete mic to mic so he drummed up the shooting in the face of irrefutable proof Big and Co had nothing to really do with it to try and discredity Biggie and slow him down. Why the hell would Puff and Big set him up?? thats where his megalomania sets in..there was no incentive in it, and he was talking crazy.

I always got the same vibe as well. When you listen to his interviews/rants about being forgotten & "his spot taken" when he was locked up he definitely came off as jealous. Even though he wanted other rappers to succeed I got the feeling he didn't want or would like someone being bigger or perceived as better than him.
 

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I always got the same vibe as well. When you listen to his interviews/rants about being forgotten & "his spot taken" when he was locked up he definitely came off as jealous. Even though he wanted other rappers to succeed I got the feeling he didn't want or would like someone being bigger or perceived as better than him.
Nah. Pac was a legitimate fan of rappers. He's said it out his own mouth. He has no problem about letting a rapper know they've influenced him or they just ill. Him being forgotten about in prison is way more complicated than that.
 

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No, you want "ALL this shyt" to be strictly entertainment. Tupac had a genuine anger for Biggie and Bad Boy as a staff, record label and as a muthaphukkin crew. Your insistence at throwing your personal agenda on as goggles is the reason you're never going to see the situation clearly. You're going to try to push it to everyone you get a chance to talk to and you'll have very low results in succeeding in influencing people who know what was going on. To assume Tupac didn't have any feelings about the situation would be to assume he was inhuman. Also there are multiple accounts of The Source Awards confrontation . . those weren't TMZ days. People said Tupac was genuinely angry, I believe the word "livid" was used. How he felt in February and how he came to feel about it in August are two different things, because complex individuals that go through situations like that can change how they feel about things, rather than push their jaded agenda 20 years later. Basically you're saying you don't like the way Tupac felt about it. Tupac didn't feel the way you would've felt about it or how you feel he should feel about it



:snoop:Do me a favor and read this post twice. This so called "plot of revenge" that you reference only exists in your head, it exists in the plot of music videos - an entertainment medium as Tupac was (ding) and entertainer. It was used as entertainment. Once again your whole rhetoric on what he should've done would only benefit him if there was a "so called plot for revenge". Seeing as we both know there was no "plot of revenge" then we shouldn't be arguing about how he should've handled things if he wanted to enact a "plot of revenge" - you're arguing about a hypothetical scenario, it's really amazing that you don't see that.

Once again, you've ordered a whopper and you're complaining that there's no Big Mac sauce and on some level I think you do see it but you're so invested in your rhetoric that you don't want to let it go. You came from the drive thru, parked your car and thought about everything you were gonna say once you walked in, you were going to give them a "piece of your mind", you already knew everything you were gonna say as you walked in. You're up at the counter arguing with the Burger King manager about there being no Big Mac sauce and then it hits, you didn't order a Big Mac . . you're not even at the right place to order a Big Mac :ohhh: , but you already initiated the complaint and you don't wanna stop now. Even though you know a whopper shouldn't have Big Mac sauce

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Its like they dont even know what arugment they are trying to make..if Tupac was faking this, then why would he lie in personal situations where he didnt need to like the private phone call with ol boy? Tupac knew what was going on and so did everyone else Biggie and Puffy..them A tea guys was eating off Bad boy, thats why he went at Biggie..he was they top earner entertainment wise...Tupac knew he couldnt battle these dudes on a street level but he could fukk they money up music wise, thats why he ODed on them and he was fukking they money up that whole summer...and he was exposing the real gangsters behind the scenes who didnt care about him being a rapper or not once he crossed that line..them dudes wont in Vegas to watch a fight..they was there to collect on a 1 mil bounty paid for by the dudes backing bad boy..henchmen even confronted Pac at a groove theory show with some crips in tow..all them dudes were tied into the crips since they were selling drugs to them and had them doing security for them..read between the lines..its so obvious what happened..all these stories and old interviews coming out with that murder rap dvd made it so clear....shyt i remember back in 96 the general street response was bad boy did it but then the biggie murder happened and people were just over the shyt...
 

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Nah. Pac was a legitimate fan of rappers. He's said it out his own mouth. He has no problem about letting a rapper know they've influenced him or they just ill. Him being forgotten about in prison is way more complicated than that.

I agree to a certain extent but he came across as feeling some kind of way by Big's success & ascension. Maybe I'm wrong fam
 

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No, you want "ALL this shyt" to be strictly entertainment. Tupac had a genuine anger for Biggie and Bad Boy as a staff, record label and as a muthaphukkin crew. Your insistence at throwing your personal agenda on as goggles is the reason you're never going to see the situation clearly. You're going to try to push it to everyone you get a chance to talk to and you'll have very low results in succeeding in influencing people who know what was going on. To assume Tupac didn't have any feelings about the situation would be to assume he was inhuman. Also there are multiple accounts of The Source Awards confrontation . . those weren't TMZ days. People said Tupac was genuinely angry, I believe the word "livid" was used. How he felt in February and how he came to feel about it in August are two different things, because complex individuals that go through situations like that can change how they feel about things, rather than push their jaded agenda 20 years later. Basically you're saying you don't like the way Tupac felt about it. Tupac didn't feel the way you would've felt about it or how you feel he should feel about it



:snoop:Do me a favor and read this post twice. This so called "plot of revenge" that you reference only exists in your head, it exists in the plot of music videos - an entertainment medium as Tupac was (ding) and entertainer. It was used as entertainment. Once again your whole rhetoric on what he should've done would only benefit him if there was a "so called plot for revenge". Seeing as we both know there was no "plot of revenge" then we shouldn't be arguing about how he should've handled things if he wanted to enact a "plot of revenge" - you're arguing about a hypothetical scenario, it's really amazing that you don't see that.

Once again, you've ordered a whopper and you're complaining that there's no Big Mac sauce and on some level I think you do see it but you're so invested in your rhetoric that you don't want to let it go. You came from the drive thru, parked your car and thought about everything you were gonna say once you walked in, you were going to give them a "piece of your mind", you already knew everything you were gonna say as you walked in. You're up at the counter arguing with the Burger King manager about there being no Big Mac sauce and then it hits, you didn't order a Big Mac . . you're not even at the right place to order a Big Mac :ohhh: , but you already initiated the complaint and you don't wanna stop now. Even though you know a whopper shouldn't have Big Mac sauce

#WallyWisdom

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No, you want "ALL this shyt" to be strictly entertainment. Tupac had a genuine anger for Biggie and Bad Boy as a staff, record label and as a muthaphukkin crew. Your insistence at throwing your personal agenda on as goggles is the reason you're never going to see the situation clearly. You're going to try to push it to everyone you get a chance to talk to and you'll have very low results in succeeding in influencing people who know what was going on. To assume Tupac didn't have any feelings about the situation would be to assume he was inhuman. Also there are multiple accounts of The Source Awards confrontation . . those weren't TMZ days. People said Tupac was genuinely angry, I believe the word "livid" was used. How he felt in February and how he came to feel about it in August are two different things, because complex individuals that go through situations like that can change how they feel about things, rather than push their jaded agenda 20 years later. Basically you're saying you don't like the way Tupac felt about it. Tupac didn't feel the way you would've felt about it or how you feel he should feel about it



:snoop:Do me a favor and read this post twice. This so called "plot of revenge" that you reference only exists in your head, it exists in the plot of music videos - an entertainment medium as Tupac was (ding) and entertainer. It was used as entertainment. Once again your whole rhetoric on what he should've done would only benefit him if there was a "so called plot for revenge". Seeing as we both know there was no "plot of revenge" then we shouldn't be arguing about how he should've handled things if he wanted to enact a "plot of revenge" - you're arguing about a hypothetical scenario, it's really amazing that you don't see that.

Once again, you've ordered a whopper and you're complaining that there's no Big Mac sauce and on some level I think you do see it but you're so invested in your rhetoric that you don't want to let it go. You came from the drive thru, parked your car and thought about everything you were gonna say once you walked in, you were going to give them a "piece of your mind", you already knew everything you were gonna say as you walked in. You're up at the counter arguing with the Burger King manager about there being no Big Mac sauce and then it hits, you didn't order a Big Mac . . you're not even at the right place to order a Big Mac :ohhh: , but you already initiated the complaint and you don't wanna stop now. Even though you know a whopper shouldn't have Big Mac sauce

#WallyWisdom
So if this was all just entertainment, wtf is the point keep yappin about it for ??
 

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I always got the same vibe as well. When you listen to his interviews/rants about being forgotten & "his spot taken" when he was locked up he definitely came off as jealous. Even though he wanted other rappers to succeed I got the feeling he didn't want or would like someone being bigger or perceived as better than him.

Yup, same here. Dudes jealousy was practically seeping from all pores and people choose to act blind to it. His apologists always want to make it seem as if Biggie owed Pac something, but Biggie owed him squat. Biggie gave him sound advice he chose to ignore and somehow he's expected to hold Pac's hand through NY. Thats how they like to keep the two linked in order to justify Pac's deep seated jealousy and megalomania.
Biggie ignored Pac and kept it moving. And by ignoring him and continuing to take over rap, that incensed Pac even more.
Put yourself in Pac's shoes. Theres many rappers on the coli. how do you compete with a microphone giant like Biggie when youre a seminal rapper?
 

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Yup, same here. Dudes jealousy was practically seeping from all pores and people choose to act blind to it. His apologists always want to make it seem as if Biggie owed Pac something, but Biggie owed him squat. Biggie gave him sound advice he chose to ignore and somehow he's expected to hold Pac's hand through NY. Thats how they like to keep the two linked in order to justify Pac's deep seated jealousy and megalomania.
Biggie ignored Pac and kept it moving. And by ignoring him and continuing to take over rap, that incensed Pac even more.
Put yourself in Pac's shoes. Theres many rappers on the coli. how do you compete with a microphone giant like Biggie when youre a seminal rapper?
To be fair i would agree 94- 95 pac was jealous .. I wouldnt say very late 95-96 cause that was pacs time ...... What i feel pac wanted was biggie to do welll but be under him n wen he outshined him in 94 going into 95 it did get under pacs skin ..... I agree on that big n stretch gave pac game on them ny gangsters n pac choose to ignore them cant blame big for that ......
 

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To be fair i would agree 94- 95 pac was jealous .. I wouldnt say very late 95-96 cause that was pacs time ...... What i feel pac wanted was biggie to do welll but be under him n wen he outshined him in 94 going into 95 it did get under pacs skin ..... I agree on that big n stretch gave pac game on them ny gangsters n pac choose to ignore them cant blame big for that ......

Breh, even Iron Mike warned Pac but Pac chose to do Pac and get himself into some deep shyt..funny how he doesnt Mike for his mishaps and fukk ups..
Big and Pac weren't even that close, Pac is the one that sought out Biggie after hearing Party N Bullshyt and came around. He was on Bigs dikk since day one..he even tried to get Big and his crew a cameo in Juice but Big declined. Bigs meteoric rise stunned him yes cause Pac saw it happen live. Pac is the one that pushed the friendship, but Big it appears had his own friends and life planned out. Big never needed anything from Pac to be fair.
 

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Breh, even Iron Mike warned Pac but Pac chose to do Pac and get himself into some deep shyt..funny how he doesnt Mike for his mishaps and fukk ups..
Big and Pac weren't even that close, Pac is the one that sought out Biggie after hearing Party N Bullshyt and came around. He was on Bigs dikk since day one..he even tried to get Big and his crew a cameo in Juice but Big declined. Bigs meteoric rise stunned him yes cause Pac saw it happen live. Pac is the one that pushed the friendship, but Big it appears had his own friends and life planned out. Big never needed anything from Pac to be fair.
Yes this is true .. Pac did give big little bits ov advice on certain shyt rising up in the game but i get what your saying pac was the 1 who went lookin for big .... How long where big n pac actully friends for ?? What exact date did they meet ??
 

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Yes this is true .. Pac did give big little bits ov advice on certain shyt rising up in the game but i get what your saying pac was the 1 who went lookin for big .... How long where big n pac actully friends for ?? What exact date did they meet ??

Party N Bullshyt I think came out in '92. By '94 they were'nt on speaking terms. If they were such close friends how come Pac isnt on Ready To Die which is a '93 release?
The recording industry advice Pac gave him, Big could have gotten from Puffy, Andre Harrel, JD and other brehs in the game who would have loved to have schooled him.

Big wasn't about to be on no rappers dikk, thats for damn sure. Infact, they tell a story about being in some restaurant and Little Richard came through and sort of expected the patrons to be star struck but Big told his crew to keep eating and pay him no mind.
 

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Party N Bullshyt I think came out in '92. By '94 they were'nt on speaking terms. If they were such close friends how come Pac isnt on Ready To Die which is a '93 release?
The recording industry advice Pac gave him, Big could have gotten from Puffy, Andre Harrel, JD and other brehs in the game who would have loved to have schooled him.

Big wasn't about to be on no rappers dikk, thats for damn sure. Infact, they tell a story about being in some restaurant and Little Richard came through and sort of expected the patrons to be star struck but Big told his crew to keep eating and pay him no mind.
Ready To Die isn't a 93 release nikka. It dropped in 94. And late 94 at that. Illmatic came first. Biggie was already fukkin wit Thug Life at the time. I don't see nobody correcting u wit that tho. Just Daps. Cause like I said. If it's about shyttin on Pac. It's cool. Inaccuracies don't matter.
 
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