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Wade could be completely healthy that season and the Heat would still struggle to win 45 games. Lebron was better than Wade throughout that entire season and in every playoff series besides the finals. Without Lebron, the Heat would have the worst 3-11 in the league. Compare Chalmers and Haslem as your third and fourth best players to Ray Allen and Rondo, Lamar Odom and Ron Artest/Andrew Bynum, Luol Deng and Carlos Boozer, James Harden and Serge Ibaka, Jason Kidd and Jason Terry, etc.. The Heat would be allocating minutes to some of the worst players in the league.. a Chalmers/Wade/James Jones/Haslem/Bosh starting lineup isn't winning 60 games.

Even if you want to argue LeBron was better at that time, the gap was small. From 2003-2011 Wade was right there with LeBron. He was also a consensus top 3 player from 2005-2011 alongside Kobe and LeBron. Stop trying to act like he wasn't a baller.

You Bron stans love disrespecting his teammates just to prop him up. Wade without Bron taking touches from him finally gets a costar next him since Shaq. Considering what young Wade did with an aging Shaq, how can you argue that he wouldn't have killed it at 28 years old with a prime Chris Bosh?

Wade and Bosh easily win 60 games in 2011.
 

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You couldn’t have typed this with a straight face :dahell:. I don’t know who’s worse you or the Jewish caps lock mf

D-Wade from 2005-2011 was a Top 3 player in the league while Chris Bosh in 2010 was considering a borderline top 10 player and top 2 PF in the game. Saying that they would be the best duo in the game isn't a stretch. And if the likes of Kobe and Pau could win 65 games just two years prior, why couldn't Wade and Bosh win 60 games?
 

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Kevin Love said it out of his own mouth. He had mental health issues after joining LeBron. It aint juelzing to simply connect the dots.

In 2018, Love wrote about his decades-long fight with depression and anxiety in a Player’s Tribune essay titled “Everyone is Going Through Something.”

NBA star Kevin Love on finding success while struggling with mental health: 'You can't achieve yourself out of depression'

NBA star Kevin Love get personal with CNBC Make It about struggling with depression and anxiety — and the tools he uses to stay mentally healthy.
www.cnbc.com

Decades long? :ohhh: Looks like it started before Lebron. So no he didn't say out of his own mouth that he got anxiety because of Lebron.

Proves that in Minnesota he could deal with it due flying under the radar. Everyone's knows anxiety gets worse on a bigger stage.
 

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Looks like it started before Lebron. So no he didn't say out of his own mouth that he got anxiety because of Lebron.

Proves that in Minnesota he could deal with it due flying under the radar. Everyone's knows anxiety gets worse on a bigger stage.

I never said LeBron started it. But his penchant for always having his minions putting the blame on his teammates definitely exasperated the situation. KD said it himself. Playing with LeBron is toxic.
 

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I never said LeBron started it. But his penchant for always having his minions putting the blame on his teammates definitely exasperated the situation. KD said it himself. Playing with LeBron is toxic.

I would buy it if Kevin Love accomplished anything without Lebron. Zero playoffs, zero all-stars since. It's clear he just got figured out on a bigger stage and hence declined. Now if these guys went back to putting up numbers after him, maybe. But even then, he made those guys winners.
 

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I would buy it if Kevin Love accomplished anything without Lebron. Zero playoffs, zero all-stars since. It's clear he just got figured out on a bigger stage and hence declined. Now if these guys went back to putting up numbers after him, maybe. But even then, he made those guys winners.

Or Bron broke him and he couldn't recover. Did you forget my comparison to Rick Ankiel? Very hard to regain confidence after its been lost.
 

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Or Bron broke him and he couldn't recover. Did you forget my comparison to Rick Ankiel? Very hard to regain confidence after its been lost.
Not for stars. Ankiel was a 20 year old with 1 full season under his belt when he melted down. Hardly an established star.
 

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Not for stars. Ankiel was a 20 year old with 1 full season under his belt when he melted down. Hardly an established star.

Are you even old enough to remember Ankiel? His meltdown was ridiculous. Seeing him throw fastballs into the stands rather than the catchers mit. He ended up having to change positions. Forget about star. He went from a pro athlete to looking like 50 cent throwing out the first pitch.
 

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Are you even old enough to remember Ankiel? His meltdown was ridiculous. Seeing him throw fastballs into the stands rather than the catchers mit. He ended up having to change positions. Forget about star. He went from a pro athlete to looking like 50 cent throwing out the first pitch.
I do remember him. Melted down in the playoffs and came back as an outfielder.
 

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Guys, relax.

If everything trends in the direction, as it should, the Lakers won't need any trades

And they might win it all.

Practice patience. Because they trusting Russ now. AD balling now. Lakers just waiting on 1 particular person to get it together.
 

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Guys, relax.

If everything trends in the direction, as it should, the Lakers won't need any trades

And they might win it all.

Practice patience. Because they trusting Russ now. AD balling now. Lakers just waiting on 1 particular person to get it together.
Oh shyt... u mean they getting giannis?????
 
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