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And LeBron a career loser without any of them.

He needed them just as much as they needed him. Other than Wade. Who obviously didn't need Bron to win a championship while Bron needed him.
Bron finals appearances without Kyrie and titles: 8/3

Bron finals appearances without Love and titles: 7/3

Bron finals appearances without Bosh and titles: 6/2

Bron finals appearances without AD and titles: 9/2

LeBron won without every single one of those players. Are we going to forget these 3 finals teams that LeBron carried to the finals without any of Wade/Bosh/Kyrie/Love/AD?

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Didn't LeBron also see a massive drop in efficiency that year as well when he went back to Cleveland? 64.9% to 57.7%

They pretty much all saw a 7% drop in shooting efficiency.

So it wasn't LeBron helping them be more efficient. They were all helping each other. And once they disbanded they all saw their efficiency decrease by similar percentages.
Far cry from you saying he made them worse. He had a drop in efficiency but not in wins. He was back in the finals and took 2 games off the Warriors without Kyrie and Love. The Heat didn't make the playoffs. I agree that they were all helping each other but it seems like they needed him more than he needed them.
 

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If the Lakers can scrape together some contracts and a protected pick and trade for Josh Richardson and Doug McDermott from the Spurs, that might be a good trade. They're good shooters and taller wings. What do you think @#1 pick?
 

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If the Lakers can scrape together some contracts and a protected pick and trade for Josh Richardson and Doug McDermott from the Spurs, that might be a good trade. They're good shooters and taller wings. What do you think @#1 pick?
Richardson and McDermott are on some hefty contracts. I don't believe the Lakers can afford their salary which Russ, AD, and Bron taking up most of their cap space
 

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Richardson and McDermott are on some hefty contracts. I don't believe the Lakers can afford their salary which Russ, AD, and Bron taking up most of their cap space

Richardson and McDermott are paid a combined $26M/yr. Pat Bev, Lonnie Walker and Kendrick Nunn are paid a combined $25M. And NBA trade salaries don't have to match exactly.
 
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Because he dominates the ball so much and reduces everyone else to being spot up shooters. When he goes out of the lineup and players have to go back to their natural roles it takes time for them to build up a rhythm once again. If you ever played sports you would know how huge continuity and repetition are to performing at a high level.

It's why Kobe and MJ's teams never fell off when they missed a few games in a season. Kobe and MJ didn’t need the players around them to change their games for them to be effective. So guys played to their strengths both when they were in the lineup and when they were out. Thus they didn't need to go back and forth playing different roles needing to rebuild their rhythm.
100% correct. But you talking real basketball here, they not gon understand what you sayin
 

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Richardson and McDermott are paid a combined $26M/yr. Pat Bev, Lonnie Walker and Kendrick Nunn are paid a combined $25M. And NBA trade salaries don't have to match exactly.
I didn't realize Nunn and Walker were getting that type of salary. In regards to trade wise, it works. It's all about if SA wants to do that and does LA want to trade Walker. Now LA could do Pat Bev for Doug but do they want to do that. At the end of the day, I am not sure exactly what LA needs to do because I don't exactly look at Bev as an issue nor do I see Walker as one. Nunn is a different story.
 

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I rarely watch the Lakers since the bubble, it's painful and it's like a 50% chance that one of those guys ain't playing.
But is Russell the reason to why Lebrons assist dropped from 10.2 to 6.2 with 3 more minutes pg or is ADs glass body, or both?
 
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Who isn't a career loser without good teammates? That's like saying MJ is a career loser without Pippen, or Kobe is a career loser without Shaq or Gasol, or Shaq is a career loser without Kobe or Wade.

Lebron has won 2 championships without Wade and Wade has won 1 championship without Lebron. Who didn't need who?

The difference is MJ and Kobe needed just one star next to them to win multiple chips. Bron needed at least 2.

Kobe winning 2 rings with Gasol ain't the same as Bron needing Wade and Bosh to equal Kobe's 2 with just Gasol.
 
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Bron finals appearances without Kyrie and titles: 8/3

Bron finals appearances without Love and titles: 7/3

Bron finals appearances without Bosh and titles: 6/2

Bron finals appearances without AD and titles: 9/2

LeBron won without every single one of those players. Are we going to forget these 3 finals teams that LeBron carried to the finals without any of Wade/Bosh/Kyrie/Love/AD?

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Finals appearances mean nothing when playing in a weak conference.

The second Bron went out West he missed the playoffs after going to the Finals for 8 straight years. And now he's working on missing the playoffs for the 3rd time in 5 years since moving to the West.

Leastern conference titles mean nothing.
 
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