Anti Vaxxers have the same weird ass argument

[TheJet]

my favorite is the nikka who works at U-Haul, and talkin about he's gonna do more research on it first... nikka, what kinda research yo ass gonna do

 

[bnew]

Damn near 99 percent of ppl who caught Covid are still alive




Correct me if I’m wrong…isn’t your body natural immunity to it once caught better then getting the vaccine?

99% of people who had covid have a pulse. we don't know how many of them have been getting maimed after suffering from blood clots. many covid survivors needed organ transplants and there are millions of covid survivors who have long-covid. thats not something anybody should shrug-off.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Damn near 99 percent of ppl who caught Covid are still alive

Except it isn't 99%. It's actually 97-98%...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wu...rrect/65-06c0037f-2939-4faa-813c-e25bacbad820​

Correct me if I’m wrong…isn’t your body natural immunity to it once caught better then getting the vaccine?

No.....​

COVID-19 natural immunity versus vaccination


Think about this for a second: you have to get infected with COVID to gain 'natural immunity' from it and it has an exponentially greater risk of side/adverse effects than being vaccinated.​

 

[Trece]

This site got a wierd hard on for vaccines - masks- and vaccine mandates..

I can see not taking the risk, but cats are actually stanning all these restrictions.

Shyt is wierd AF..

Disgusting

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

normally once. that is the difference.

understand now?

This was my first question:


What characteristics of the chickenpox and it's respective vaccine make it different than the coronavirus and it's respective vaccines?

By saying "normally once" you disregarding a slew of other variables such as 94% of the population (in the US) being immunized against it.



Do you still believe the mRNA vaccines are "leaky"?

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

nah. let's deal with your first question then.



nah. let's deal with your first question then.

It's really the same conversation. Polio vaccines aren't sterilizing and yet they have been good enough to eradicate it in first world nations.

Same deal with the measles, if you fall below the herd immunity threshold then you will see cases of breakthrough infections. We've actually seen this in the last few years.

 

[null]

This was my first question:


What characteristics of the chickenpox and it's respective vaccine make it different than the coronavirus and it's respective vaccines?

By saying "normally once" you disregarding a slew of other variables such as 94% of the population being immunized against it.

Do you still believe the mRNA vaccines are "leaky"?

babble and jump around e-grows

What characteristics of the chickenpox and it's respective vaccine make it different than the coronavirus and it's respective vaccines?

THIS characteristic: once you have had chickenpox you normally never ever EVER get it again in your entire life (for reasons related to dormancy, shingles etc). this is not the case with covid.

it's pretty simple really.

Spoiler: ...

"Recovery from primary varicella infection usually provides immunity for life."
Chickenpox for HCPs

so your response to this answer re. your question about chickenpox vs covid characteristics is?

 

[Actually6Foot3]

This site got a wierd hard on for vaccines - masks- and vaccine mandates..

I can see not taking the risk, but cats are actually stanning all these restrictions.

Shyt is wierd AF..

Disgusting

I already saw this shyt with the elections and staning of the Clintons and Biden. Same nikkas were all “defund police” “big pharma baddd” now they told me I’m a fool for not wanting to vote a segregationist and author of the crime bill that expanded policing in black neighborhoods they now was to defund “defund” and the DA Copmala Harris that enforced it.

Prepandemic you could pull up the slew of lawsuits against Pfizer and J&J and shyt on Big Pharma l, now these nikkas are their biggest cheerleaders wishing death on the unvaccinated(many of whom are black ) and anyone claiming #bothsides is a right wing nut

site is full of cacs, agents and DNC shills

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

babble and jump around e-grows



THIS characteristic: once you have had chickenpox you normally never ever EVER get it again in your entire life (for reasons related to dormancy, shingles etc). this is not the case with covid.

it's pretty simple really.

Spoiler: ...

"Recovery from primary varicella infection usually provides immunity for life."
Chickenpox for HCPs

so your response to this answer re. your question about chickenpox vs covid characteristics is?

Not jumping around at all, you're not considering all of the variables that separate the chickenpox situation from the situation with the covid vaccines, mainly the percentage of the population that has been immunized from it. Part of the role role of vaccines is to reduce infection as well as reduce transmission (another variable in the system). Bring me an example of a population where only only 60-70% has been immunized from chickenpox so that we can start comparing apples to apples.

That matters a lot before you can go around saying that a certain vaccine doesn't provide life long immunity... which isn't true for the mrna vaccines since they have shown to induce the creation of memory B and T cells (that's your long term immunity right there).


Also, I specifically brought up the polio and chickenpox vaccines because they both provide functional immunity like the current vaccines (ie you can get a symptomatic infection if not enough people within your community are immunized against it).

 

[null]

Not jumping around at all, you're not considering all of the variables that separate the chickenpox situation from the situation with the covid vaccines, mainly the percentage of the population that has been immunized from it. Part of the role role of vaccines is to reduce infection as well as reduce transmission (another variable in the system). Bring me an example of a population where only only 60-70% has been immunized from chickenpox so that we can start comparing apples to apples.

true in this case. pure frontier gibberish this time.

That matters a lot before you can go around saying that a certain vaccine doesn't provide life long immunity... which isn't true for the mrna vaccines since they have shown to induce the creation of memory B and T cells (that's your long term immunity right there).

B&T cells do not make you immune to covid .
why do you do it? the babble on here.. the gibberish .. and on a sunday morning too

Spoiler: ...

possible explanation:

A. illness upper respiratory tract (incl. nasal cavity) - fast build up, not "severe", no hospitalisation most cases, transmission, mutations, "cold like (delta) symptoms", detectable via RT-PCR test, can permeate blood-brain barrier.

B. illness lower respiratory tract - slower build up, can build up to be severe, mutations, can build up to hospitalisation, possible lung damage, possible follow on organ damage

-

high antibodies protect against the swift attack of A. secondary immune system protects against the build up of B in the absence of high antibodies and/or an effective defence.

waning antibodies opens up the possibility of URT infection, mutations, long covid, transmission etc as listed under A PLUS if the primary immune system is not good enough less likely but possible severe LRT infection.

waning longer-term secondary immune system ceteris-paribus means more severe cases.

them not being clear about the various stages (or "types" even) of infection is confusing people. in other words covid infection is not always the same in terms of what is actually infected (and the degree, of course).

this is why the common symptoms of vaccinated with delta are upper respiratory tract biased. i.e. in your head rather than your lungs e-grow .

"Headache, sneezing, sore throat, and loss of smell rounded out the rest of the top five symptoms for fully vaccinated people who contracted COVID.

Missing from that top-five list was coughing or shortness of breath, which were among the most frequently reported signs of COVID-19 early in the pandemic, before vaccines were available. A runny nose and sneezing were not commonly reported in initial cases."

there is no way to measure B/T-cell preparedness so we will see if this attenuates on the results side of things.

Spoiler: covid infection

Spoiler: immune system

Spoiler: mutation

Also, I specifically brought up the polio and chickenpox vaccines because they both provide functional immunity like the current vaccines (ie you can get a symptomatic infection if not enough people within your community are immunized against it).

leave the adjuncts for someone with the patience for the remedial

some people are ignorant because they don't know. no biggie.

others are ignorant because because their failure is elsewhere. not everyone has patience for dealing with that.



"B&T cells make you immune to covid"

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

true in this case. pure frontier gibberish this time.



B&T cells do not make you immune to covid .
why do you do it? the babble on here.. the gibberish .. and on a sunday morning too





leave the adjuncts for someone with the patience for the remedial

some people are ignorant because they don't know. no biggie.

others are ignorant because because their failure is elsewhere. not everyone has patience for dealing with that.



"B&T cells make you immune to covid"

You posted a lot of videos and some copy pasta for a guy that claims to not being ignorant on the subject. I've taken multiple courses of biochem at a collegiate level as well as biology and chemistry, I don't need to watch a professor at a nursing college (who probably didn't have to take orgo for science majors) to learn about mutations that occur due to covid's RNA polymerase.

And what point are you trying to make? It would help if you expressed your ideas and what you are trying to say in your own words instead of posting 2 hours worth of youtube videos as if anyone has time for that. Do you think that herd immunity is unachievable due to mutations? You need to be more specific

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

it appears to me that leaky immunity and/or leaky transmission are going to push the theoretical herd immunity threshold up, possibly above 100%.

And for the record

‘Joe Rogan Is Getting This Completely Wrong,’ Says The Scientist Who Conducted The Vaccine Study


“We're talking a very different virus and very different vaccines. The details in biology really matter a lot. The chicken vaccines we worked with, the first-generation vaccine, definitely reduced disease, severity and death.” But unlike the COVID mRNA vaccines, the chicken vaccine “didn't stop transmission at all.” And this is one of the key differences between what was being studied in Read’s paper and our current situation with the global pandemic. “Those [vaccinated] chickens just kept churning out the virus for weeks and weeks and weeks.” Again, this is a key difference. “It’s a very different virus from SARS-2. A key issue here is transmissibility.”

- Andrew Read



The first author in the now famous leaky Vaccine Study

Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens

 

[little4209]

Just do what works for you, who cares