any lessons black americans can learn from the native americans? were they racist

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When you read the history they play the same games with us.

Is this speech by Tecumseh considered racist???
IF you understand racism.... you shouldn't feel that it is racist- imo. But I could be incorrect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tecumseh

We are friends; we must assist each other to bear our burdens. The blood of many of our fathers and brothers has run like water on the ground, to satisfy the avarice of the white men. We, ourselves, are threatened with a great evil; nothing will pacify them but the destruction of all the red men.

Brothers,—When the white men first set foot on our grounds, they were hungry; they had no place on which to spread their blankets, or to kindle their fires. They were feeble; they could do nothing for themselves. Our father commiserated their distress, and shared freely with them whatever the Great Spirit had given his red children. They gave them food when hungry, medicine when sick, spread skins for them to sleep on, and gave them grounds, that they might hunt and raise corn.

Brothers,—The white people are like poisonous serpents: when chilled, they are feeble and harmless; but invigorate them with warmth, and they sting their benefactors to death.

The white people came among us feeble; and now we have made them strong, they wish to kill us, or drive us back, as they would wolves and panthers.

Brothers,—The white men are not friends to the Indians: at first, they only asked for land sufficient for a wigwam; now, nothing will satisfy them but the whole of our hunting grounds, from the rising to the setting sun.

Brothers,—The white men want more than our hunting grounds; they wish to kill our warriors; they would even kill our old men, women and little ones.

Brothers,—Many winters ago, there was no land; the sun did not rise and set: all was darkness. The Great Spirit made all things. He gave the white people a home beyond the great waters. He supplied these grounds with game, and gave them to his red children; and he gave them strength and courage to defend them.

Brothers—My people wish for peace; the red men all wish for peace; but where the white people are, there is no peace for them, except it be on the bosom of our mother.

Brothers,—The white men despise and cheat the Indians; they abuse and insult them; they do not think the red men sufficiently good to live.

The red men have borne many and great injuries; they ought to suffer them no longer. My people will not; they are determined on vengeance; they have taken up the tomahawk; they will make it fat with blood; they will drink the blood of the white people.

Brothers,—My people are brave and numerous; but the white people are too strong for them alone. I wish you to take up the tomahawk with them. If we all unite, we will cause the rivers to stain the great waters with their blood.

Brothers,—If you do not unite with us, they will first destroy us, and then you will fall an easy prey to them. They have destroyed many nations of red men because they were not united, because they were not friends to each other.

Brothers,—The white people send runners amongst us; they wish to make us enemies that they may sweep over and desolate our hunting grounds, like devastating winds, or rushing waters.

Brothers,—Our Great Father, over thegreat waters, is angry with the white people, our enemies. He will send his brave warriors against them; he will send us rifles, and whatever else we want—he is our friend, and we are his children.

Brothers,—Who are the white people that we should fear them? They cannot run fast, and are good marks to shoot at: they are only men; our fathers have killed many of them; we are not squaws, and we will stain the earth red with blood.

Brothers,—The Great Spirit is angry with our enemies; he speaks in thunder, and the earth swallows up villages, and drinks up the Mississippi. The great waters will cover their lowlands; their corn cannot grow,and the Great Spirit will sweep those who escape to the hills from the earth with his terrible breach.

Brothers,—We must be united; we must smoke the same pipe; we must fight each other's battles; and more than all, we must love the Great Spirits he is for us; he will destroy our enemies, and make all his red children happy.
 

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conversations about white ideas about trade and economy..... applies to the illusions of capitalism, imo.


"These white Americans ... give us fair exchange, their cloth, their guns, their tools, implements, and other things which the Choctaws need but do not make ... So in marked contrast with the experience of the Shawnee, it will be seen that the whites and Indians in this section are living on friendly and mutually beneficial terms.
" —Pushmataha, 1811 (stance of some of you coli posters)

"Where today are the Pequot? Where are the Narragansett, the Mochican, the Pocanet, and other powerful tribes of our people? They have vanished before the avarice and oppression of the white man ... Sleep not longer, O Choctaws and Chickasaws ... Will not the bones of our dead be plowed up, and their graves turned into plowed fields?"
Tecumseh, 1811
 

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About having your people being lead by religion. I say this applies the cac blessed institutions called black churches.

Long story short.. they had a plan, they had unity, they had the force to end the oppression... Tenskwatawa became a religious leader. This was dudes brother. The people followed him... on his religious nut job mission to attack randomly..... God was going to protect them from the bullets :ohhh:


I'm sure you all know what happened next.
 

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Media manipulation and divide and conquer.

Basically the 'settlers' would warn certain tribes of attacks by other tribes... also give them material objects and technologies that would supposedly make their lives easier (realistically all it did was handicap them and make them dependent :dry:). Many of the attacks by Indians were against other Native tribes. Eventually the Natives has deep seeded self hate worse than they've had in any of their past history..... even the tribes that were peaceful for years went on killing missions prompted by the Dutch and others.

The manipulation is that when people would speak about it or write about it.... is was savage and considered evil. Even in 20th century movies... a bunch of natives are killed it's the good guys win or victory.. natives kill it's savagery.
 

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I agree with a lot of it, but he and others neglect that tribes up and down the Americans (mainly Central and South America) were doing the same thing. Nowhere near at the European level though, but the Mexica and the Incas would absolutely practice imperialism. This wasn't usually the case in North America though.

Media manipulation and divide and conquer.

Basically the 'settlers' would warn certain tribes of attacks by other tribes... also give them material objects and technologies that would supposedly make their lives easier (realistically all it did was handicap them and make them dependent :dry:). Many of the attacks by Indians were against other Native tribes. Eventually the Natives has deep seeded self hate worse than they've had in any of their past history..... even the tribes that were peaceful for years went on killing missions prompted by the Dutch and others.

The manipulation is that when people would speak about it or write about it.... is was savage and considered evil. Even in 20th century movies... a bunch of natives are killed it's the good guys win or victory.. natives kill it's savagery.


You think it stopped?

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You have people, including minorities still defending the above names and logos.

I've said this man times, in Brazil, the natives are at the bottom of society. They are still getting raped down there:

http://amazonwatch.org/news/2013/0611-brazils-natives-protest-dam-construction

This photo went viral a few years back, the Chief broke down :

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How are we Americans??

Because we use their products?

So destroy a group is the tactic.. .then say it's ok for you enjoy out luxuries - you get to enjoy our 'goods'. That's easy to say to a native tribe that is freezing in the winter because you destroyed their leaders (cough) and their culture and community..... You say here is the Alcohol that will keep you warm in the winter; "we are your friends" ( this is what they did) That shyt destroyed them... and alcoholism is a huge problem in the native communities today. Same with the black community.... Its very easy to say, stop buying the shyt when you don't know the truth behind the situation. NTM the thing that made the alliances and tribes strong for centuries was their customs and ways. CAC said that the being in tuned with nature shyt was barbaric and we are going to slaughter you and force you to get out of touch with that. The mental affect of losing your original cultures and not allowing your culture to grow organically over centuries and replacing aspects of it with the ways of the demons - is usually underestimated. There are more young blacks addicted to ******nish than empowerment - regardless of whatever values their original tribe held. There are more Natives addicted to gambling, alcohol, criminal enterprises, and struggle surviving on most plantations reservations than there are doing their customs.

Because we fight in their wars?
The natives fought in their wars and against each other..... shyt got to a point to where native on native 'crime' was supposedly a main issue.... when in reality people were fighting out of desperation. We do the same shyt... we fight their wars and don't even know what Japanese generals have came here to tell his they have no beef w blacks... or what Native tribes provided refuge for us doing slavery... Also we fight each in mass out of desperation.


Because we built the nation?
Sure blacks helped build this nation... and helped it become a world super power - we see what we received in return from 1800-1960's we were terrorized. Now we are fukked in other ways and expected to clean up that mess in a few years or be feed more lies and stigmatization. .

The Natives saved Europeans from eating each other. Taught them about growing and surviving in 'America' Befriended them even though since the early 1600's Natives were being taken back to Europe as slaves. In return for their assistance to the CAC they received smallpox blankets (we all know this).... they received The Europeans biblical messages that told the CAC that it was ok to wipe out the race, use them for slave, infect them with diseases --- Let's pause there because for some weird reason back then - that was considered Not true when certain tribes would warn of that shyt And Now when that exact type of thing happens in urban environments (crack, virus, etc) and to 'minorities' it's still considered TINFOIL shyt because a white official hasn't felt that it's time to confirm it. SMH When 'indian villages' were raided... any woman or child over 14 was raped and sold into slavery. Any men who were alive were tortured.

The destruction of the males is a very old CAC game
.... nearly every ethnicity on our planet has experienced that and the long lasting psychological results of it.

Because everyone born in America is treated as Americans?


No, Over 130 Billion dollars are still owed today to the natives for royalties for oil and other resources. The reservations have more issues than I care to write about. The largest tribes have nearly half of their people living in 3rd world poverty conditions--- with American issues to deal with. 10 million blacks live in technical poverty ... millions more are a pay check away... and overall our condition is superficial - we think that we are Americans when you have black women getting 20 years for shooting guns in defense and black boys can get killed from racial incidents. We are brainwashed to think that legislation in the 1960's made things better when in the 2000's black men are getting dragged on the back of trucks. ntm, the media clearly shows us we aren't the real americans.
 

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Well, some tribes owned slaves. Im sure they were treated better then the slaves owned by Europeans but still, they owned slaves so im sure many tribes are pieces of shyt.

They did. But they also allowed many to be freemen in their tribes. A lot of these tribes are re nigging on previous agreements and shytting on descendants of the freeman tribes by kicking them out of the nation. Complete bullshyt but oh well.
 

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They did. But they also allowed many to be freemen in their tribes. A lot of these tribes are re nigging on previous agreements and shytting on descendants of the freeman tribes by kicking them out of the nation. Complete bullshyt but oh well.
Money talks. They're all inclusive when they're broke and fearing annihilation but give um a couple billion they feel like they dont need nikkas anymore. At least you know you dont have to feel sorry for them when they get stereotyped in the media. Black folks always looking for allies in communities that have no respect for them.
 

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Money talks. They're all inclusive when they're broke and fearing annihilation but give um a couple billion they feel like they dont need nikkas anymore. At least you know you dont have to feel sorry for them when they get stereotyped in the media.

Exactly. But in the long run they took one of history's biggest L's. They lost the America and almost got genocide'd. Slavery was pretty bad and so was the Holocaust. But damn there are barely any of you left? Yea....they got it pretty bad.
 

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Exactly. But in the long run they took one of history's biggest L's. They lost the America and almost got genocide'd. Slavery was pretty bad and so was the Holocaust. But damn there are barely any of you left? Yea....they got it pretty bad.
There are a lot of them left. The smart ones became mexican. The c00ns got slaughtered.
 
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