Anyone else notice 2Pac didn't mention 1 west coast act on the 1995 song "Old School?"

[Plankton]

Nah you’re making a horrible point breh. Pac is originally from NYC. He made a song dedicated to the home he left behind. The later artists he named (even from Jersey) still grew up within a similar cultural context to what he was celebrating. Bringing in Cali would’ve been a complete reach imo. The majority of his life was dictated by the same shyt he was celebrating on the song. He hadn’t even been a West Coast nikka that long when that song came out.

Either you are playing dumb or you just really don't get it so this will be my last response to you.

I already pointed out that Tone Loc and NWA with fukk The Police were big records in NYC. You talking this cultural context nonsense while ignoring the fact that Tone Loc and NWA and Hammer getting play in NYC is part of that cultural context. Seeing west coast rappers on Video Music Box ( a tv show only available in NYC ) is cultural context. Seeing Ton Loc in the very important Self Destruction video is cultural context. Watching Yo MTV Raps hosted by NYC hosts interviewing west coast rappers is cultural context.

The reason you don't get what I'm saying is because as a native New Yorker it stands out me and not to you is because I was right there in 87, 88 and 89. There is no 88/89 Hip Hopwith out acknowledging Ice T's Power album cover, Ice T doing Colors, NWA doing fukk the police, Young MC Bust A Move, Tone Loc "Wild Thing", Hammer doing "Get It Started" and Turn This Mutha Out" That's the old school NYC I remember. You weren't there so you can't relate to how not mentioning those popular west coast moments in NYC stands out.

I'm done with this back and forth but you can have the last word.

 

[Plankton]

youre trying to tell me brehs was bumpin Tone Loc like that?

Dude, "Wild Thing" and "Funky Cold Medina" were both freaking major.



Queens native, Curtis Sc00n once Tweeted that when he was in the back of a cop car the 2 officers up front sung the song "Wild Thing" word for word all the way to the precinct. He told that story to emphasize how big the song was.

 

[Art Barr]

Most west coast artist suffer from and still have mecca envy.
Or souled't out have no rrspect or knoe hpw of hiphop culture, pillars or history.

That is why pac did not mention them.

Yet no one wants to really discuss culturally why this occurred. As it completely exposes.
the prison industrial pac stan centric corrosive mantra.
that has ruined all life and most of you goofies.
live and die by to this day.
Yet will try to deflect on to the government erroneously.
Or some other thing. That has nuffin to do with the emo investment of the general misguided impressionable population.




Art Barr

 

[Plankton]

Most west coast artist suffer from and still have mecca envy.
Or souled't out have no rrspect or knoe hpw of hiphop culture, pillars or history.

That is why pac did not mention them.

You seriously think he felt that way about Dre and Cube in 94 when the song "Old School" was most likely created? Especially when he was in Cube and Dre's Natural Born Killers video that same year. Cube was actually bashed for being to friendly with NYC. And Pac went on to sign to Dre's label and do his first single with him once he came out of prison. There are no signs that Pac felt that way about Cube and Dre in 94.

 

[Art Barr]

You seriously think he felt that way about Dre and Cube in 94 when the song "Old School" was most likely created? Especially when he was in Cube and Dre's Natural Born Killers video that same year. Cube was actually bashed for being to friendly with NYC. And Pac went on to sign to Dre's label and do his first single with him once he came out of prison. There are no signs that Pac felt that way about Cube and Dre in 94.

Pac was and is interscope's version of ice cube from nyc. Yet back then all this apologetic gangster rap fascination shyt did not exist.
Which is why the pac story is poignant. As it points out the cultutal betrayal.
that lead to pac eventually dying.


Hiphop rule number one.

No gangs.

Yet people front like they are hiphop and are not.



Art Barr

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Either you are playing dumb or you just really don't get it so this will be my last response to you.

I already pointed out that Tone Loc and NWA with fukk The Police were big records in NYC. You talking this cultural context nonsense while ignoring the fact that Tone Loc and NWA and Hammer getting play in NYC is part of that cultural context. Seeing west coast rappers on Video Music Box ( a tv show only available in NYC ) is cultural context. Seeing Ton Loc in the very important Self Destruction video is cultural context. Watching Yo MTV Raps hosted by NYC hosts interviewing west coast rappers is cultural context.

The reason you don't get what I'm saying is because as a native New Yorker it stands out me and not to you is because I was right there in 87, 88 and 89. There is no 88/89 Hip Hopwith out acknowledging Ice T's Power album cover, Ice T doing Colors, NWA doing fukk the police, Young MC Bust A Move, Tone Loc "Wild Thing", Hammer doing "Get It Started" and Turn This Mutha Out" That's the old school NYC I remember. You weren't there so you can't relate to how not mentioning those popular west coast moments in NYC stands out.

I'm done with this back and forth but you can have the last word.

I don’t discount what you’re saying. And I think it’s fair to agree to disagree. All I’m saying is I think he was being very intentional in only talking about NYC/Jersey and not including Cali. It was an ode to a place he had left behind and rediscovered.

I’ll also agree and say that would’ve been a cool add on to the song, although a very tricky thing to add since it was an ode to NYC. But to your point I’m not from NYC so I have no way of knowing what the arrival of the west coast scene was like in the city. And in general it would’ve been cool to see him celebrate other rappers outside of NYC from that time and earlier. Still an amazing song.

 

[DaHNIC82]

Probably because he shout-out alot of the West on
Representing 93

 

[Spidey Man]

People act like Pac knew anything about Old School West Coast. He lived most of his life out East

 

[Plankton]

People act like Pac knew anything about Old School West Coast. He lived most of his life out East

Stop it. Pac lived in Cali in 88 and 89 when NWA, Too Short, Ice T, Hammer, Tone Loc and Young MC were popping. He literally lived in The Bay when MC Hammer and Too Short were both selling double platinum.

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Anyone notice this song is 30 years old?

 

[TheMailMan]

The old school is the NY/NJ region as far as hip hop. In 85 u listening to rundmc or electro music out of the west

 

[bigde09]

"MC NEW YORK"

Always stealing someone’s style

 

[Bondye Vodou]

Always stealing someone’s style

He learnt from the best

 

[bigde09]

He learnt from the best

They studied Pac for Big’s career

“Birthdayyys were the worst dayyyyys!”

 

[Tribal Outkast]

Imagine him name dropping Wild thing and you can’t touch this in 1995. Bro would’ve been clowned into oblivion